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NFL - Instant Replay for Pass Interference

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  1. [7]
    alyaza
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    unfortunate, because this would have been extremely funny to see this in action in something a little bit larger than the AAF.

    Defeated: Onside kick alternative
    A proposal from the Denver Broncos would have given teams a one-time opportunity in the fourth quarter to swap a kickoff for a fourth-and-15 play attempt at the 35-yard line. Convert and keep the ball. Don't convert and turn it over. In essence, it would have served as an alternative to the onside kick, an attractive option considering the new difficulty in recovering them. But the proposal was not met with much support. New York Giants co-owner John Mara quipped to reporters, "What are we, the Arena League?"

    unfortunate, because this would have been extremely funny to see this in action in something a little bit larger than the AAF.

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    1. [5]
      asep
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      I'm not very well versed in american football so can you explain why this is illegal now. As far as my knowledge of the rules go, you're allowed to do whatever play you want with the ball right?...

      I'm not very well versed in american football so can you explain why this is illegal now. As far as my knowledge of the rules go, you're allowed to do whatever play you want with the ball right? What changes when you're on your fourth down or when you're inside the 35 yard as of right now.

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      1. [2]
        AnthonyB
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        This is, or was, a proposed rule change to the kickoff, which takes place at the opening of the first and third quarters and after a team scores. During the kickoff, once the ball travels ten...

        This is, or was, a proposed rule change to the kickoff, which takes place at the opening of the first and third quarters and after a team scores. During the kickoff, once the ball travels ten yards, the kicking team can recover the ball and keep possession. An onside kick is a play designed specifically for the kicking team to recover the ball. This almost always takes place at the end of the game when the kicking team is losing and does not have time to stop the opposing offense (but on rare occasions it will happen at a random point - the most famous example being the New Orleans Saits' successful onside kick to start the third quarter of the 2010 Super Bowl). It has always been a very difficult play, but recent saftey changes to the rules have made it almost impossible.

        I believe you are confusing this with a punt, which a team can elect to do at any point when they have posession of the ball. A punt will usually take place on fourth down when the team is outside scoring range and doesn't want to risk giving the opponent good field position.

        Hope that helps!

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        1. asep
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          Yes! You're right I did in fact have it confused with a punt, thanks for clearing it up.

          Yes! You're right I did in fact have it confused with a punt, thanks for clearing it up.

          1 vote
      2. [2]
        spit-evil-olive-tips
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        Say team A is down by 10 points, with 2 minutes left on the clock. They score a touchdown, worth 6 points, and then they have the option of kicking an extra point, worth 1 point, or going for a...

        Say team A is down by 10 points, with 2 minutes left on the clock. They score a touchdown, worth 6 points, and then they have the option of kicking an extra point, worth 1 point, or going for a 2-point conversion, worth (surprisingly enough) 2 points.

        So now they're down by 2, 3, or 4 points, depending on how the extra point or conversion turned out. By rule, since they just scored, they kick the ball off and team B takes possession of it. In the normal flow of the game, the goal of a kickoff like that is generally to kick it as far as possible towards team B, so that they start deep in their own territory and have to advance the ball across the entire field in order to score.

        But, since team B is ahead, and it's so close to the end of the game, once they take possession they can just run out the clock and win. Clock management in the NFL gets very complicated, but as a general rule, the 40-second play clock means the team in control of the ball can run 40 seconds off the game clock every play, if they choose to. So if team B gets the ball back with say 1:30 left, they can easily run off the remainder of the game clock and win. (I'm oversimplifying this with regard to timeouts, run vs pass plays, incomplete passes, and running out-of-bounds vs. getting tackled in-bounds...)

        So for team A, kicking off the ball with only a minute or two left, their last-ditch strategy is to recover the ball during the kickoff, instead of letting team B take possession. The "usual" way to do this is called on onside kick. By rule, the ball has to travel at least 10 yards on a kickoff. For an onside kick, instead of kicking it as deep as possible, you try to kick it 10 yards but no more, and try to spin or bounce the ball in such a way that team B will touch the ball but then drop it, which would allow team A to recover it. On a kickoff, team B has to touch the ball first - team A can't simply kick it up in the air and to themselves - but if team B touches it and then drops or fumbles it, team A can recover it and take possession.

        So, that's an onside kick. High-risk, because if it doesn't work, team B takes possession around midfield and has a much better shot at scoring than they would if they were deep in their own territory. But in this scenario, team B wins almost automatically if they take possession, no matter where on the field, so trying the onside kick is worth it for team A.

        Recent NFL rule changes around kickoffs have made a successful onside kick go from "really difficult" to "nearly impossible". In particular, players on team A used to be able to get a running start at the kickoff, now they have to remain still until the ball is kicked.

        Because of that rule change, onside kicks almost don't matter anymore. So that proposal would have created a different option for team A - instead of having to recover the onside kick, their last ditch "do or die" play is converting a 4th and 15 (going 15 yards at least on a single play).

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        1. asep
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          I see, thanks for clearing that. As a rugby player myself it's actually very interesting to see how even if they're very different sports some strategies remain the same. For example just last...

          I see, thanks for clearing that. As a rugby player myself it's actually very interesting to see how even if they're very different sports some strategies remain the same. For example just last weekend my team tried an onside kick (mainly because the other team had poor fitness though).

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    2. insegnamante
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      Yeah, I would have liked to see this, too. It will probably become a rule eventully.

      Yeah, I would have liked to see this, too. It will probably become a rule eventully.

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    insegnamante
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    There are also a number of other changes to the rules, including making the new kickoff rules permanent and not allowing blindside blocks.

    There are also a number of other changes to the rules, including making the new kickoff rules permanent and not allowing blindside blocks.

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    1. Cosmos
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      Still no fix to the stupid overtime rules though. Why is it so hard for them to simply adopt the NCAA overtime? It is superior in every conceivable way.

      Still no fix to the stupid overtime rules though. Why is it so hard for them to simply adopt the NCAA overtime? It is superior in every conceivable way.

      3 votes
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    AnthonyB
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    Finally! Hopefully this will expand to other penalties in the future. The rule changes over the past 5-10 years gave so much more pressure and responsibility to the officials that it felt like...

    Finally! Hopefully this will expand to other penalties in the future. The rule changes over the past 5-10 years gave so much more pressure and responsibility to the officials that it felt like they had as much influence on the outcome as an NBA official does in basketball.

    Somewhat unrelated, but I really hope they make significant changes to illegal contact rules in the future. Long live the defensive struggle!

    3 votes
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        frickindeal
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        The point is to avoid and be able to correct obvious mistakes, which have and still do happen. Refs are human and the game at field level happens extremely fast.

        The point is to avoid and be able to correct obvious mistakes, which have and still do happen. Refs are human and the game at field level happens extremely fast.

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          1. frickindeal
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            I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's purely reactionary. A 'bad' call changes the outcome of an important game, and they change the rule to allow more scrutiny of the play after the fact. Of...

            I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's purely reactionary. A 'bad' call changes the outcome of an important game, and they change the rule to allow more scrutiny of the play after the fact. Of course 'bad' is subjective, but you have to have rules to have a sport. The NFL uses a team in NY to review critical plays, so it's not up to one person; instead a consensus is reached.

  4. gtwillwin
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    I think this is a really good rule change but with the downside of making cornerback an even harder position to play. I guess a lot of it will come down to how the application of replay on DPI is...

    I think this is a really good rule change but with the downside of making cornerback an even harder position to play. I guess a lot of it will come down to how the application of replay on DPI is applied but there's no way this isn't going to make defending receivers even harder than it already is.

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