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Comment on Did wokeness leave us worse off? (gifted link) in ~society
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Comment on Did wokeness leave us worse off? (gifted link) in ~society
AnthonyB Link ParentI get ya, but that's the burden one must accept when they become a tildo. But hey, even if no one responds, you never know who might read it and take something from it. If nothing else, it's a...- Exemplary
It took over an hour to put that post together, and the OP is unlikely to read or engage with it.
I get ya, but that's the burden one must accept when they become a tildo. But hey, even if no one responds, you never know who might read it and take something from it. If nothing else, it's a good exercise to write out your thoughts. I often feel like I get more out of writing the comment than posting it. For every effort post I make, I have two or three that I end up scrapping, maybe more. I actually have a Google drive file with dozens of unposted comments lol.
As for the rest of your post, I don't think your opinion is unfair, and I don't really disagree with the specific point you're making about 2024, I just think we're just looking at it differently.
We have both pointed out that there is something along the lines of a woke value system and a woke messaging system. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be referring to woke the value system when you keep asking where woke went too far or failed. I wholeheartedly agree with what I think you're getting at there. I don't think that “woke” progressive policies are a problem, and I've disagreed with how Third Way centrist Dems made it out to be the defining issue of the 2024 election. But that doesn't seem to be the point that the original discussion or many of the comments here are focused on. They're focused on woke the messaging system, which is often perceived as performative, cringey, scolding, or just flat out annoying. That's a failure. Now, you can't control how people receive your message, but you can control how you deliver it. That, in my mind, is the purpose of the wider discussions around the failure of woke.
I don't know enough about the entire panel to say what their values are, but they certainly didn't strike me as having “anti-woke” beliefs. No one in that conversation was saying things like “they want men to compete in women's sports” or "they're demonizing white people in history class,” so I'm willing to give a little grace and assume that their criticisms of woke messaging were leveled with the hope that something more effective emerges. I've been around this site long enough to know that most people feel the same way to some extent. Or maybe I'm just projecting my own woke desires onto other people. I don't know.
I would argue that Trump won because ours is a deeply racist country, and he reflects what we are. But that's getting a bit off-topic, so I'll stop that there (this time).
Yeah, no need to go into all of that. You and I have had that conversation before
I am genuinely curious about the rest of your political identity though. I've seen you get passionate a number of times about bigotry and identity politics, and obviously we've discussed 2024 through that lens, but I can't recall seeing anything else about what type of world you want to live in, the type of candidates you support, or who/what your influences are.
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Comment on Did wokeness leave us worse off? (gifted link) in ~society
AnthonyB Link ParentUnfortunately, I don't have enough time to engage with your takeaway from the original post, but I want to give you props for acknowledging the issue with your previous comment and taking the time...Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to engage with your takeaway from the original post, but I want to give you props for acknowledging the issue with your previous comment and taking the time to not only read the material, but also add a long and thoughtful response. More of this, please.
One quick thing that your comment reminded me of and that I wanted to point out elsewhere is the lack of a clear definition of "woke" and how the current iteration of the word is completely different from what it was when it first crossed over into mainstream lingo in the late-2010s.
Initially, to be "woke" was (basically) to be aware of the historic and systemic injustices against marginalized people and to reject the sleepy, whitewashed, middle school version of history that we're spoonfed from birth. Woke was a way to describe a person's awareness or understanding, not the way that they interact with the world. Somewhere along the way, that got lost and now it's essentially a rebrand of the term SJW (or PC), but people still conflate the two all the time. Julian Casablancas calls out Zionists and American imperialism, or, your grandma recognizes the preferred pronouns of your non binary friend? Wow, they're so woke! Purple-haired woman chastises DSA-endorsed candidate for saying they support veterans, or a boy calls his dad a fascist for referring to the unhoused as "homeless"- ugh, they're so woke. I feel like I'm seeing a version of this play out in the comments. Some are quick to defend wokeness as the former, while others criticize it for being the latter.
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Comment on Did wokeness leave us worse off? (gifted link) in ~society
AnthonyB Link ParentEarlier while combing through this IED of a thread, I ended up thinking about the dreaded "Kamala is for they/them ad" and whether that would've worked against a candidate like Zohran Mamdani. I...Earlier while combing through this IED of a thread, I ended up thinking about the dreaded "Kamala is for they/them ad" and whether that would've worked against a candidate like Zohran Mamdani.
I have always been of the mind that the more impactful line of that ad was the second, and often forgotten line, "Trump is for you." The implication being that Kamala doesn't care about common/everyday people. I don't think that ad would be effective if voters genuinely thought Kamala was truly focused on advancing their interests. How could someone say Mamdani doesn't care about New Yorkers when all he ever talks about is how he plans to improve the lives of New Yorkers? Instead of having a simple, universal, and steady message about addressing the material needs of Americans a la Zohran, Kamala gave us a medley of means-tested Washington mumbo jumbo and tried to position herself as a tougher, more moderate candidate than the one she was in the 2020 primary. "What do you mean I'm not for you? I've got 50k for small businesses and I'll sign a border bill that I would have vehemently opposed at any other point in my career! What more could you want from me?"
Conversely, had Zohran applied the same tactics as the Harris campaign, he would've spent the early days of his campaign focused on crime, because that's what the number one issue was at the start of the primary. Had that been the case, he likely would've ended up being an also-ran whose political career would've been as memorable as his rap career, and "affordability" would be just another word instead of the word in American politics.
I think there's still plenty of room for wokeness in politics. Not enough for a candidate to be defined by their wokeness, but it's not a killer as long as the primary focus remains on the material needs of the majority. And as Zohran recently said, "There's only one majority in this country, and that's the working class."
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Comment on New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses in ~tech
AnthonyB Link ParentUnfortunately, that's usually what happens when you populate a community with redditors. Always gotta be liberal with those qualifiers, just in case. It was interesting reading this chain comments...people still give votes to your comment but ignore mine despite being a relatively high effort explanation that expands on the article and applies to solar in general. Feels somehow reddity.
Unfortunately, that's usually what happens when you populate a community with redditors. Always gotta be liberal with those qualifiers, just in case.
It was interesting reading this chain comments because it's a good example of how convoluted the information is around energy costs. It feels like every week I see an article about some major breakthrough in renewables. Then you have this ongoing public debate about the efficacy/efficiency of renewables vs fossil fuels, and one side is pushed by advocacy groups while the other is pushed by a massive and powerful industry. Meanwhile, most of the information is being distilled through journalists that don't have any background in that field. Maybe you can go to some engineer's substack for a more detailed breakdown, but then you don't know who that person is or what their motivations are, and if you're a regular old dipshit like me, the math is something you pretty much have to take at face value. How the hell am I supposed to know what the dollar per kWh, euro per joule, or shekel per zip zap is? Now that I think about it, it's a lot like the conversation around AI. Are we on the precipice of a revolution, or is it all fraudulent and we're in some bubble that's about to burst? I have no idea.
But one thing that I think I have a whisper of an idea of, or is at least something that I've heard often from various reputable sources, is that there is a hidden cost to a fossil fuel like natural gas, which is the environmental damage it does. It's like an interest rate. And at this scale, that's probably going to be a huge cost, right? Using fossil fuels for a project that is going to double the energy used by an entire state,, and consuming a not insignificant amount of water in a region that desperately needs to conserve water all so Kevin "I'm not a billionaire, I just play one on TV" O'Leary can open a data center that serves the interests of practically no one seems pretty fuckin crazy to me. The added cost of using renewables, however steep it might be, should probably be the cost of doing business, just for society's sake.
Now just to be as clear as humanly possible, this isn't a rebuttal, goal post shift, or whatabaoutism style argument against your comments. Someone raised a very specific point and you responded to that specific point. This is just a separate thought that feels like a natural addition to the conversation around this topic.
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Comment on Resident Evil | Official teaser trailer in ~movies
AnthonyB Link ParentI'm loading up on Austin Abrams stock these days. I recently rewatched Euphoria and The Americans and I thought he was really good in both of those shows. I couldn't believe it was the same guy...I'm loading up on Austin Abrams stock these days. I recently rewatched Euphoria and The Americans and I thought he was really good in both of those shows. I couldn't believe it was the same guy from Weapons.
It'll be interesting to see how he does leading a horror/thriller, plus it'd be crazy if he ends up being another actor that got really famous after Euphoria.
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Comment on New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses in ~tech
AnthonyB Link Parent"Foggy" is a good way to describe it, but I'd add that there is an unsettling yellow hue that you can only see when you're up above it. When it gets bad, it kinda looks like an airport smoke... -
Comment on New AI data center in Utah will generate and consume more than twice the amount of power the entire state uses in ~tech
AnthonyB Link ParentToo bad there isn't some sort of local climate crisis to get the Utah state government to consider the environmental implications of their endless pursuit of growth...Too bad there isn't some sort of local climate crisis to get the Utah state government to consider the environmental implications of their endless pursuit of growth...
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Comment on Weekly thread for casual chat and photos of pets in ~life.pets
AnthonyB LinkI've always said that foster kittens are a cheat code against depression. Imo they have the highest score when you apply the (cuteness + cuddlines) ÷ effort equation. Starting at about 4 weeks...I've always said that foster kittens are a cheat code against depression. Imo they have the highest score when you apply the (cuteness + cuddlines) ÷ effort equation. Starting at about 4 weeks old, they can do pretty much everything on their own, only they haven't developed that smug sense of superiority that cats have, so most of them like being around people. I think it's crazy that people let you hang out with them for free. But every now and then I get a little cocky and take in some bottle babies, which drastically raises the amount of effort.
Enter Sally. Life hasn't been easy for Sally so far. She lost her mother at six days old and her brother passed the next day just before I arrived to pick her up. On top of that, she's had a difficult time adjusting to formula.
Most baby kittens are unable to expel waste without assistance from a caregiver, but not Sally. Sally has pooped on every blanket she's ever touched, and she appears to take pride in pooping on me whenever I try to hold her. It's as if she leaves a little in the tank just to remind me who's really in charge. Weighing in at a whopping 175g, Sally is about 100g underweight, yet she is very feisty and remarkably agile. She is also adorable which makes all of the pooping less of an issue.
Yesterday, I brought home a couple friends for Sally. Meet Cal and Jules. They'll be bunking with Sally once her digestive issues are resolved. As you can see, Cal loves to be swaddled and Jules can't get enough of the heating pad. And in case you are wondering: Yes, they were part of a litter named after Euphoria characters. No, I did not name them. And no, I don't think the person who divided them up understands the dynamic between Cal and Jules on the show. At least I hope not. It makes Cal's habit of suckling on Jules's backside so much worse.
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Comment on For $700 a month, sleeping pods make San Francisco more affordable, but at what cost in ~life
AnthonyB Link ParentI actually have a friend who rents these spaces out to people and one of the lesser known facts about these spaces is that for an extra $30 down, you get to choose the gun you put in your mouth...I actually have a friend who rents these spaces out to people and one of the lesser known facts about these spaces is that for an extra $30 down, you get to choose the gun you put in your mouth before bed. Believe it or not, that's a huge selling point. Also, a lot of the tenants are shy exhibitionists who are seeking the thrill of masturbating in a public space without the shame, humiliation, or potential legal consequences of doing it at a Vons or something.
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Comment on What I learned about billionaires at Jeff Bezos’s private retreat in ~society
AnthonyB LinkI mean, the answer is pretty obvious, right? It's a dry run to see who gets the invite on the giant dick rocket that takes society's winners up to Bezos's space colony when civilization inevitably...Each morning, we gathered in a lecture hall to hear presentations. If you’ve ever seen a TED Talk, you understand the format. The year I went, a sitting Supreme Court justice was interviewed, and a neurologist talked about technological advances in prosthetics. In the afternoons and evenings, we were encouraged to exchange ideas over drinks and four-course meals, with no set purpose—to network, in other words, with some of the most rarefied talent on Earth. The most common question I heard was “Why am I here?”
“Why am I here?” asked the 1980s hair-metal singer. “Why am I here?” asked the Pulitzer Prize–winning novelist, the famous anthropologist, the presidential historian.
I mean, the answer is pretty obvious, right? It's a dry run to see who gets the invite on the giant dick rocket that takes society's winners up to Bezos's space colony when civilization inevitably collapses under the pressure of the resource wars. Duh.
On a slightly more serious but still half-baked note, this line stood out to me:
And yet, looking around at faces I had only ever seen in a magazine or on-screen, I had an unsettling revelation: This is the hubris of accomplishment. To be declared a genius at one thing is to begin to believe you are a genius at everything.
My friend and I have this stupid little joke about the value of sucking at math. We both know a couple people who think they know everything because they were good at every subject in highschool. It doesn't matter that they didn't study or specialize in something, they watched one TED Talk or read one book and they think they're an expert. Us, on the other hand, well we know we aren't experts at the things we didn't study because we sucked at math and therefore know that we don't know things. If being smart at 17 can cause a normal to overestimate their understanding of the world, imagine what all that wealth and power does to a billionaire.
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Comment on What I learned about billionaires at Jeff Bezos’s private retreat in ~society
AnthonyB Link ParentI feel like this could be said about the vast majority of op-ed pieces. At least the guy went to a party that no tildo will ever be invited to.They're just run-of-the-mill opinions that you can get anywhere, from someone who doesn't actually know more than the rest of us.
I feel like this could be said about the vast majority of op-ed pieces. At least the guy went to a party that no tildo will ever be invited to.
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Comment on A brief history of fish sauce in ~food
AnthonyB LinkMostly offtopic but obligatory link to the Tasting History garum episode. It's a classic.Mostly offtopic but obligatory link to the Tasting History garum episode. It's a classic.
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Comment on Traders placed over $1bn in perfectly timed bets on the Iran war. What is going on? in ~society
AnthonyB Link ParentJust to add to what you and LukeZaz said, be sure to vote in the primary elections. Corruption isn't just a Republican problem (though they are much better at it), the candidate matters more than...Just to add to what you and LukeZaz said, be sure to vote in the primary elections. Corruption isn't just a Republican problem (though they are much better at it), the candidate matters more than the letter next to their name.
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Comment on Any male victims from female abuse? in ~life.men
AnthonyB Link ParentAbsolutely not! I mean, it wasn't fun and the relationship did a bit of a number on me at the time, but it's not like this was a traumatic experience. And even if it was, I would still find it...is it insensitive of me to find this account .... amusing
Absolutely not! I mean, it wasn't fun and the relationship did a bit of a number on me at the time, but it's not like this was a traumatic experience. And even if it was, I would still find it amusing.
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Comment on Any male victims from female abuse? in ~life.men
AnthonyB Link ParentI had a very toxic and emotionally abusive ex in college, and while I am far from door sized (maybe the size of medieval peasant's door), I almost went to jail during one of her meltdowns that...I had a very toxic and emotionally abusive ex in college, and while I am far from door sized (maybe the size of medieval peasant's door), I almost went to jail during one of her meltdowns that eventually involved the police.
The story for anyone interested, because why not. It's a doozy:
I took her to visit my parents in central Florida and we decided to go to Universal Studios in Orlando. It was a pretty good day, despite the fact that she made me ride the Harry Potter ride a half dozen times. Anyway, as the park was closing, we went to a gift shop so she could get gifts for her family. We walked in about 5 minutes to closing time and she took a half hour to pick stuff out. I could sense the disdain from the people who were waiting to close the store, so when she decided to change something mid transaction, I said something to the effect of, "C'mon, they need to go home. I'm sure [family member] will like what you picked out."
Huge mistake. That led to her screaming at me outside the store for a good 5-10 minutes, then, bizarrely, threatening/trying to jump over a ledge into some watery pit that was 10 feet below. Then, once she calmed down to a functioning level, she berated me the entire time we walked across the park to the parking lot. It felt like every 2-3 guys we passed gave me the "hang in there, brother" look and countless women and children seemed to gaze at us with bewilderment. As a socially awkward person who hates being the center of attention around strangers, it was hell.
She was still yelling at me when we got to the parking garage, and at one point she threw her purse, which caused her belongings to scatter across the concrete floor. I picked them up, of course, because I just wanted to go home and that was not a hill I was willing to die on. Then, when we finally got to the car, she stopped and refused to get in FOR AN HOUR, and continued to berate me the entire time I pleaded with her to get in. I had my moments in this relationship, but I was calm the entire time because I didn't want to further cause a scene. At some point I discretely started recording the audio, because I thought it would help her realize what she was like in those situations. Anyway, right as we got into the car, she realized her mascara was missing and demanded I find it. Another 30-45 minutes down the drain. Now we were one of the only cars in the garage.
After I finally got her into the car, which by the way, she was still yelling at me the entire time, we started to make the hour long drive back to my parents' house. I was fully checked out at that point, just thinking about what the recording was going to sound like, which must've made it worse because she started opening the door and threatened to jump out as we were driving 70mph down the freeway. Unfortunately, the road didn't have a shoulder and the nearest exit was about a mile or two away, so I couldn't really pull over. That's when I finally broke down and started screaming things like "WTF is wrong with you?" I finally gave up and started calling 911 because I felt like I had no other options. When I did that, she closed the door and promised not to do anything. I was pretty sure that I hung up before anyone could answer.
When I finally got off on the exit and pulled over, I grabbed a water bottle from the back seat and squeezed the shit out of it, which caused it to burst open. That's when she got out of the car and started sprinting to the freeway. Mind you, this was a random pitch black road on the outskirts of Orlando. There was nothing/no one near by, except for the freeway. I genuinely thought she was going to run into traffic, so I started chasing her to stop her. We were both all-state track and field athletes in high school and we always talked about racing each other. I did not expect it to go like that.
That's when the police lights came on. In my state of heightened stress and emotion, I assumed they had somehow traced my call and that the calvary was coming to my rescue. In reality, it was just a highway patrolman who had just watched a car erratically pull over only to have a young woman jump out and run for her life from her male persuer. Obviously, from his perspective, I was not the good guy. Lucky for me, she and I both stopped as soon as the lights came on. Within minutes, there were two other police cars on scene and I was on the hot seat.
There was a lot of craziness that night, but the craziest thing was how she completely changed her demeanor as soon as the cops showed up. She was totally normal and saying everything was fine when they first questioned her. Meanwhile, I was a bit of a mess. I had water all over me, I was afraid that I was going to jail, and I had just spent about three excruciating hours in hell. Apparently, all the stress made it look like I was on drugs, because they kept telling me that my eyes didn't look normal. It didn't help that she was sitting there calmly telling them how crazy I was.
Fortunately, I had my recording. The tables turned really quickly when I mentioned that, and I'm not above saying that watching her eyes widen when I pulled out my phone was one of the most satisfying moments of my life. Unfortunately, Florida is not a one-party consent state, so the only thing I could do to get everything wrapped up in that moment was to delete the recording and take her home. Whatever, it was a lot better than going to jail, and I don't think it was going to change anything anyway.
To wrap up this incredibly long and embarrassing story that no one asked for, I'll leave you with the important lesson I learned from that relationship (which, regrettably, did not end that night). There were a lot of red flags and crazy fights like that before that night, but like so many other people in those situations, I tried to push through it. It's not worth it, and it will never work out. That relationship brought out the worst in me and, I suspect, her as well. When it got crazy like that, I did things that I am ashamed of. I yelled, I hit things (not people, thankfully), and I said awful things. Those are behaviors that I never did before that relationship and have not done in the ~15 years since that relationship. Despite my proclivity to repeat dumb mistakes in life, I learned to never take part in a relationship like that one and to break things off when those red flags come out. It's a lot better than looking under cars for a tube of $12 mascara while your partner tells you what a piece of shit you are, and it's a hell of a lot better than going to jail.
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Comment on TV Tuesdays Free Talk in ~tv
AnthonyB Link ParentIt's pretty crazy how they managed to have three of the 5-10 biggest stars under 30 on the same show before their ascent AND Colman Domingo before he became a leading man. It's up there with Once...It's pretty crazy how they managed to have three of the 5-10 biggest stars under 30 on the same show before their ascent AND Colman Domingo before he became a leading man. It's up there with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Dazed and Confused, The Outsiders, and Freaks & Geeks.
I'm currently rewatching the first two seasons so I can remember what's what in season three. I know it's a lot and there is no shortage of problematic stuff in the show, but man, when it's good, it's good. S2E5 is one of the best episodes of TV of this decade imo. Having said that, I also have my doubts that they'll be able to land the plane, especially considering the mess that The Idol was.
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Comment on What games have you been playing, and what's your opinion on them? in ~games
AnthonyB LinkSo, I'm not a guy who really follows games. I check this thread every week and read the reviews of games that I'll probably never play because I'm a basic bitch with basic bitch tastes. But I kept...So, I'm not a guy who really follows games. I check this thread every week and read the reviews of games that I'll probably never play because I'm a basic bitch with basic bitch tastes. But I kept seeing these ads for Crimson Desert, so I checked it out on Steam and saw the positive reviews, did a very quick Google that lead to a reddit comment where someone described it as RDR2 meets BOTW. Those are two of my all-time favorites, so I was sold. I didn't look at anything else because I like to go into things as blind as possible. I've put in about 30 hours so far and I both enjoy it and despise it.
The good part is its beautiful, incredibly ambitious, and gigantic. It has the go anywhere thing that BOTW did, and the sweeping gorgeous landscapes of RDR2, so credit to that random redditor. In fact, the first major area looks exactly like the Valentine/Horseshoe Overlook area, and the stamina bar and movement is basically a carbon copy of BOTW. It's the kind of game that I feel like I would absolutely love, but there's just one or two major flaws.
First, I have no idea what the hell is going on. I mean, I kind of do, but the story is a mess. Maybe that will become more clear over time, but I'm four chapters in and there's not much to write home about.
Second, and more importantly, there's just too much. Waaaaay too much. To paraphrase an analogy from NFL commentator and multiple time front office fuck up Michael Lombardi, it suffers from the 'too many items on the menu' problem. Meaning, if you go to a restaurant that has 5-10 things on the menu, there's a good chance that those things are going to be good. Conversely, if you go to a restaurant with 150 things on the menu, which includes a wide range like spaghetti, chicken tika masala, sushi, foie gras, and gumbo, the quality is probably going to suffer. Crimson Desert has 1000 things on the menu, and, unsurprisingly, most of them aren't very good. You can do so many things, but it's a complicated, convoluted mess, and more often than not, a huge pain in the ass. For example, there are items you can come across that you can trade in bulk. However, in order to do that, you need to invest some money in the bank. How do you do that? You collect 500 silver from mining/logging/stealing/pillaging/whatever, turn that into a gold bar at the bank (or steal one from a secret place), then invest it. Then, you need to get yourself a wagon. But in order to do that, you need to find the wagon fence, then build up your camp, find the missing members of your tribe, do some tedious missions for those members so you can find other members, make sure you've found the right specialist for building the wagon, then assign them to build a wagon for 14 game hours, then do a few other things that I haven't looked up yet because all of that tedious work takes a shitload of time. By the way, none of this is ever clearly explained to you. You either slowly come across this info as you play the game, or, look it up when you first come across one of those trade items that are everywhere. This happens all the time. You find something while you're out exploring or traveling for a mission, but you don't know what it means and you won't find out until you do a different mission or look it up. I find myself googling multiple times per hour, and the last time I did that, the top comment on the YouTube video was "you have to search every fuckin step of this game."
Maybe this will be a Cyberpunk type thing where 18-24 months from now they'll have worked out some of the kinks and a good game will emerge, but for now I wouldn't recommend it unless you're the type of person who really enjoys getting into the nitty gritty and doesn't mind clunky controls/combat.
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Comment on OpenAI CEO Sam Altman’s home targeted with molotov cocktail in ~tech
AnthonyB Link ParentI'm no expert, but I feel like there needs to be some amount of organization in order to be a revolution. Either I'm not cool enough to know who those people are (very possible), or they don't...I'm no expert, but I feel like there needs to be some amount of organization in order to be a revolution. Either I'm not cool enough to know who those people are (very possible), or they don't exist (also very possible).
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Comment on Is new music dying? Everyone’s flopping. in ~music
AnthonyB Link ParentI love KEXP, both for discovering new music and for looking up a band I just got into so I can watch their performance. Cheryl Waters is my queen.I love KEXP, both for discovering new music and for looking up a band I just got into so I can watch their performance. Cheryl Waters is my queen.
Sorry for the late reply, I've been touching a lot of grass lately, but I didn't want to leave you hanging. Or maybe I just want to get one more word in because the lack of progress we've made in this conversation is deeply frustrating.
I don't know where I go wrong every time I have these types of conversations with you, but I feel like when I try to explain one of the marginal disagreements I have with you, that explanation falls of deaf ears. But hey, I'm a masochistic loser with way too much time on my hands, so let's give it another go.
No, dude. I'm actually trying to rephrase and expand on what that panelist said. Here's the rest of the quote regarding the "anti-woke" sensibilities.
That's why I'm trying to make the distinction between values and messaging. Maybe there's a better way to differentiate the two, but I don't know how else to put it. They said it succinctly, I touched on it broadly and then expanded with examples. I don't know whats happening? Where is the disconnect?
I’d say neither of those very specific options apply, but what difference does it make? Politics is about persuasion, so it's not always what you say, but how you say it. You can have the right beliefs and the better policies, but it doesn't matter if your message doesn't resonate, or worse, turns people off. When that happens (which is all the time if you are on the left) you can do one or three things: you can adjust your message, you can keep it the same and tell people how stupid and wrong they are when they disagree, or you can go the third way and compromise your values.
Yay!
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Well, first of all, I wouldn't fret too much about NYT op-ed titles. It's just an attention getter and they change them all the time. In fact, I'd bet that this isn't the original title. As for the question itself, there are plenty of ways to interpret it. Given your original comment, you appear to be interpreting it as a reference to the state of the world? Maybe it's the state of American politics? Obviously, and for the third time, the answer to that question is no. But let's take another look at how they open the article and discussion:
Between that opener and the rest of the 30-minute conversation, here's how I interpret the question: "Is the return of off-color and offensive langue a backlash to the politics of language policing, and will the return of such language damage solidarity?" But again, I think it's very silly to get caught up on the title.
Fair enough. Not sure what kind of cards you're keeping close to your chest, but either way, I would encourage you to be a little more charitable in regards to the American electorate 's potential for growth. In this conversation and the previous one I linked to, there's this cynical and defeated vibe that all these racist people who have supported this fascist movement can't be reasoned with, or that their change must come solely from within. Maybe that's a misread on my part, but it's something that I fundamentally disagree with.
Before I end my participation in this conversation, I want to leave you with some food for thought. If you follow left-wing politics, then there are two names you might've seen pop up a few times over the past month, and that's Contrapoints and Hasan Piker. If you don't know who they are, they're both unabashedly left-wing and would qualify as having "woke" values. Contrapoints is a trans woman who makes these long, elegant, stylistic video essays that touch on philosophy, psychology, politics, and media criticism. Hasan Piker is a big, bro-type guy who streams on twitch and is known for using vulgar language, yelling at his audience, and going on bizarre and juvenile detours during his news coverage, like if the cars in Disney's Cars have vaginas. What I'm trying to say is that while there is some overlap in their politics, these two people couldn't be more different. However, there are two things they have in common. (1) They are both widely credited for deradicalizing right-wing men, and (2) they've both clashed with their audiences many times over the type of tone/language policing that would qualify as "woke." They might be on to something.