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Have you ever been in a physical fight as an adult?

What were the circumstances? How did it go? Do you regret it? Would you have done anything different?

And if not, how close did you get?

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    Gaywallet
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    Someone tried to steal my wallet at a rave about a decade ago. I had deep pockets and stopped them as soon as I felt a hand. Turned around to confront them - looked at them and shook my head no....

    Someone tried to steal my wallet at a rave about a decade ago. I had deep pockets and stopped them as soon as I felt a hand. Turned around to confront them - looked at them and shook my head no. Apparently this was challenging his masculinity or something because he squared up in front of me and I didn't back down. After a quick glance back at his friends he sucker punched me, which knocked my glasses off. The guy was a few inches shorter and probably 40lbs lighter than me so while it stung, it wasn't a serious blow. I calmly grabbed my glasses off the floor, put them on, then turned around only to find he and his crew had fled the scene. I went and talked to security to let them know what happened and to keep an eye out for them as they are likely trying to steal from people.

    I'm a pacifist. I wouldn't have fought this person. To be clear, I personally believe in non-violent tactics because I don't want to be a person who resorts to violence. I think this is because I inherently do not value my own life. I'm not trying to get killed, or to be the victim of violence, but I think there's something powerful about refusing to perpetuate the cycle and that tenet is more important to me than my own safety.

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      teaearlgraycold
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      I was raised under Quaker values. Killing another person to save my own life is not a decision I’d necessarily make. In many situations killing is worse than dying.

      I was raised under Quaker values. Killing another person to save my own life is not a decision I’d necessarily make. In many situations killing is worse than dying.

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      1. Gaywallet
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        I've lived a good life. I've had tons of wonderful experiences. I have loved and been loved. I've given back where I can. The thought of depriving those possibilities from someone else is...

        I've lived a good life. I've had tons of wonderful experiences. I have loved and been loved. I've given back where I can. The thought of depriving those possibilities from someone else is heartbreaking to me. With that being said, there are some vicious people in the world for whom I do not mourn for if violence is inflicted upon them. But to be the person who inflicts that violence? I'm not sure I can live with that; that I would want to live with that.

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    2. lou
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      I'm not sure if I can be considered a pacifist but I mostly agree with you, with the exception that I do place inherent value to my own life and would easily resort to violent non-lethal means if...

      I'm not sure if I can be considered a pacifist but I mostly agree with you, with the exception that I do place inherent value to my own life and would easily resort to violent non-lethal means if I thought that was a necessary measure to preserve it. That said, such circumstances are exceedingly rare and most people will never face them. Nonviolence is generally extremely effective.

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  2. [2]
    kyotja
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    I actually had an incident just last month, the first I can think of in my adult life. My friend and I were leaving a restaurant and unlocking our bikes to ride back home. A man approached us...

    I actually had an incident just last month, the first I can think of in my adult life.

    My friend and I were leaving a restaurant and unlocking our bikes to ride back home. A man approached us asking for food or money. We had neither, and he became very agitated when we told him we didn't. My friend (B) had unlocked his bike first, I was still working on mine. The man yelled and insulted B, and while B kept walking backwards keeping his bike between them, the man kept shuffling forward and winding up, only to miss his punches with the bike in the way. Once my bike was unlocked B and I took off down the street faster than the man could give chase.

    We ended up having an interesting conversation about it afterwards. Both of us would probably consider ourselves pacifists, and neither of us made any attempt to strike the man despite his attempts to hit us. However, B did return some of the man's insults, and told me he regretted that. In the moment when you think someone is trying to hurt you, adrenaline kicks in changes the way you act. I like to think that I would have been as smart as my friend were our positions swapped. However, I am much larger than my friend, and I'm afraid that if the man had actually struck my friend I would have escalated the situation in anger. It would definitely be a bad idea, and the man was obviously in crisis, needed help, and probably had more experience fighting than both of us combined. Additionally, you never know what will happen when you throw a punch. Someone could fall and bounce their head on the concrete, land wrong and snap their neck, or someone could pull out a weapon and escalate things more. It never ends well.

    Which is a long way to say that, in reflection on the interaction I regret that I didn't try to talk the man down, I regret that I didn't unlock my bike faster so my friend wouldn't have to get punched at, and I regret that I let adrenaline change the way I thought even if it didn't lead to action this time. It also made me think more about how one could train themselves to act under the affect of adrenaline. It's something I'd like to look into more.

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    1. lou
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      First of all, you and your friend did absolutely nothing wrong. You didn't create this situation, the agressor did. Pacifism is okay, but so is self-preservation. It was a tense situation. Cut...

      First of all, you and your friend did absolutely nothing wrong. You didn't create this situation, the agressor did. Pacifism is okay, but so is self-preservation. It was a tense situation. Cut yourself a break!

      Second, yeah, you could train martial arts for a while. You won't become a fighting machine, and you shouldn't become any more inclined to fight, but some sports and martial arts do help you understand this kind of situation in a way that can make you more calm, alert, and secure.

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    MimicSquid
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    I asked a guy smoking right in front of a bank's door to stop smoking there, and he punched me in the face for it, and then ran. I couldn't catch him, so that was that. I don't regret it, except...

    I asked a guy smoking right in front of a bank's door to stop smoking there, and he punched me in the face for it, and then ran. I couldn't catch him, so that was that. I don't regret it, except that I might have benefited from taking his photo first, so that I could've had some evidence for the cops.

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    1. lou
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      Holy shit, what an asshole. Of course you didn't do anything wrong, the guy had a punch in him and someone would get it at some point. Bad luck :(

      Holy shit, what an asshole. Of course you didn't do anything wrong, the guy had a punch in him and someone would get it at some point. Bad luck :(

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    lou
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    [NSFW] So that's an old story I was telling my friends earlier. Admittedly, that is the reason I created this thread. So, many moons ago, I was at one of these colleges full of rich weirdos. I was...

    [NSFW]

    So that's an old story I was telling my friends earlier. Admittedly, that is the reason I created this thread.

    So, many moons ago, I was at one of these colleges full of rich weirdos. I was certainly the latest, but sadly not the former. Drug use was rampart, and also, uh, well, orgies, gangbanging, whatever. Don't ask me why. I was not a total loser so I was invited at least once, but I just can't deal with that kind of thing. I heard the stories. In one of them, some CIS-GUY (CG) decided to do sexy stuff with a GAY-DUDE (GD). Whatever, just one of those things people do. Not my concern. But that would soon change.

    Thing is, GD decided to tell everyone everything he did with CG. CIS-GUI didn't like that at all, and I saw them arguing by the cafeteria. No big deal, just one of those things, so I went in. And then I caught CG repeatedly punching GAY-DUDE, who was trying to evade. I didn't think twice, ran towards them, tackled GD into the ground and covered him with my body, protecting him. Than I got up and persuaded the attacker into leaving the scene. It took some effort and threats, but he did so. When I looked back, the victim was gone too.

    A few months later, CIS-GUY (the attacker) asked me to testify on his behalf in the court case. I said no, I knew he was guilty, there would be no point. I heard he paid a pretty penny. Never saw the victim again.

    EDIT: forgot to answer my own question about what I would do differently. While I believe my approach was strategically sound and effective, by tackling the victim I could have inadvertently caused a lesion. I could have tackled the aggressor instead (he was bigger, so less chances of success), or simply punched him in the face. I had the ability to do so, but that might invite another fight altogether, and I would not be able to verbally deescalate the aggressor. I would most likely need to put him down, and this time in a much less controlled manner. A punch to the face can kill someone. So yeah, the optics of tackling the victim instead of the aggressor are terrible but I believe it was the right choice. Specially because I'm very good at verbal deescalation, so I was confident I would be able to quickly diffuse the situation.

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      sky_Pharaoh
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      That’s got to be the most interesting thing I’ve read in a while lol. If you don’t mind me asking, what school was this? I’m genuinely just curious lol

      That’s got to be the most interesting thing I’ve read in a while lol. If you don’t mind me asking, what school was this? I’m genuinely just curious lol

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      1. lou
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        Oh, I'll take that to the grave lol

        Oh, I'll take that to the grave lol

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