20 votes

We know who you are

6 comments

  1. [3]
    Pioneer
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    "The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms." A-ha, We're worried about these folks again. Clearview...

    You’re at a gathering. A stranger snaps a photo of you with a smartphone, then proceeds to tell you your name, your employer, where you live and perhaps your political affiliation. If this party trick sounds like the stuff of science fiction, it’s not.

    "The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms."

    Clearview AI

    A-ha, We're worried about these folks again. Clearview have a phenomenal bit of kit, that just ethically breaks down the second you give it a non-white face. It's been bludgeoned over the head time and time again with folks who get thrown into cells because they're black and the Police are looking for some black dude. Clearview goes "HEY, THAT'S YOUR GUY!" and it isn't.

    The joy of sample sets and data quality issues in ethics is one I love discussing.

    That being said? The main fundamental issue behind the notion of collating all this kind of data into databases? It's really quite hard to do. If you've done any form of data engineering in an FTSE business, you'll know that tying CRMs, Supply Systems, Emails, Free Text and other customer data together is a nightmare. Now try tying that to official government records and CCTV operations.

    Now ensure you're compliant with GDPR.

    It's entirely possible. But I'm just not sure this person grasps that it's really bloody hard to do.

    14 votes
    1. [2]
      JamPam
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      But how many years do you think until it's pretty feasible? I'm not in this field of study so I'm not speaking with a lot of knowledge on the topic, but it seems to me that within a decade it can...

      But how many years do you think until it's pretty feasible? I'm not in this field of study so I'm not speaking with a lot of knowledge on the topic, but it seems to me that within a decade it can be very possible. Do you not think that a privacy concern of this degree should be thought about proactively and not reactively?

      6 votes
      1. Pioneer
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        Honestly? I'm not sure it can without GAI and extremely rapid data algos / pipelines that both push and pull data at extreme speeds. You almost need a fully decentralised / federated system to be...

        Honestly? I'm not sure it can without GAI and extremely rapid data algos / pipelines that both push and pull data at extreme speeds.

        You almost need a fully decentralised / federated system to be able to do this. That's not even coming close to the regulations that would wash this away from someone like the EU.

        It's possible. How reliable it is? Who knows.

        Anytime someone estimates in tech, it's usually wildly off. Until most companies and organisations get their data in any sensible way? Which is as long as a piece of string.

        6 votes
  2. [3]
    mattw2121
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    Is someone going to create the technology (or really piece together the tech that already exists) to do exactly as the article suggests? Yes, of course. Without a doubt, soon you will be able to...

    Is someone going to create the technology (or really piece together the tech that already exists) to do exactly as the article suggests? Yes, of course. Without a doubt, soon you will be able to take a photo of someone and with 99% accuracy know exactly who it is.

    This article tries to put a political spin on that. This isn't a political issue. Just because there is a company with far right ties is already attempting to do this, doesn't mean that it is the far right doing it. Companies with all political ties are just as likely to jump in this space. In fact, I can say with upmost confidence that I could find a heavily left leaning company this is trying to innovate in the same space.

    6 votes
    1. GenuinelyCrooked
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      How would you define a heavily left leaning company? I would think those are quite rare at best.

      How would you define a heavily left leaning company? I would think those are quite rare at best.

      7 votes
    2. Crossroads
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      I don't think the article is putting a political spin on the company - it seems like they have that under control all by themselves due to their funding and connections. It doesn't make the...

      I don't think the article is putting a political spin on the company - it seems like they have that under control all by themselves due to their funding and connections. It doesn't make the article biased for saying who funded and helped them. That's just the facts of where they came from.

      You say you can find a similar "far left" AI company. Cool, find a link. I'd be interested to read about that and what they are doing with AI as opposed to the creepy, pseudo-surveillance state stuff Clearview is doing or attempting to do with their technology.

      2 votes