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The EU just destroyed the internet

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      alyaza
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      computing forever is one of those people who unironically peddles shit like the white genocide conspiracy (among other very unsavory and patently alt-right/fascist things), so yeah...

      computing forever is one of those people who unironically peddles shit like the white genocide conspiracy (among other very unsavory and patently alt-right/fascist things), so yeah...

      15 votes
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          Adys
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          Aye, looking at the video history the channel is pretty clearly anti-EU and the only reason they're this alarmist about a11/a13 is the anti-EU stance. Pretty sad, given that there's legitimate...

          Aye, looking at the video history the channel is pretty clearly anti-EU and the only reason they're this alarmist about a11/a13 is the anti-EU stance.

          Pretty sad, given that there's legitimate reasons to be anti-A11/A13.

          Truly fascinating looking at that video history. Everything you could expect, really. Up to and including a video weeping about being dropped by their youtube network due to the inflammatory content and begging for patreon subscriptions as an alternative.

          9 votes
          1. Silbern
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            I hate this so much. It's bad enough for the content that they publish, but then they constantly milk their users for every nickel and dime they have - hell, Alex Jones even has the entire...

            begging for patreon subscriptions as an alternative.

            I hate this so much. It's bad enough for the content that they publish, but then they constantly milk their users for every nickel and dime they have - hell, Alex Jones even has the entire goddamned store with straight up scam medicines. A bunch of sleezy scumbags, the whole bunch.

            3 votes
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      Dup_dup
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      It should also be mentioned that Memes arent banned. It says specifically that it does not apply to Parodies, Memes, or Gifs.

      It should also be mentioned that Memes arent banned. It says specifically that it does not apply to Parodies, Memes, or Gifs.

      3 votes
      1. Luna
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        YouTube's copyright system is bad enough as it is today, and they've basically got the best automated filter around. The law might say it protects parodies, but I'm sure in practice it'll be...

        YouTube's copyright system is bad enough as it is today, and they've basically got the best automated filter around. The law might say it protects parodies, but I'm sure in practice it'll be abused as it is today, only now site owners have to worry about being proactive in their takedowns and might be less inclined to wait for the copyright owner to speak up.

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    Ember
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    This video specific comes off as alarmist and throws a lot of direct accusations which are yet hypotheticals. These copyright articles are an important issue and polarizing it only makes...

    This video specific comes off as alarmist and throws a lot of direct accusations which are yet hypotheticals. These copyright articles are an important issue and polarizing it only makes compromise harder.

    But the core of this issue is copyright. Stallman puts it as this:

    If copyright is a bargain made on behalf of the public, it should serve the public interest above all.

    With the administrative power of the Internet only increasing, we need a public on consensus on copyright. Let's do something drastic, like cut copyright to 10 years. Allowing Disney to keep their Mouse in perpetuity is a Problem.

    10 votes
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      Amarok
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      I remember reading some Harvard business study that pegged the ideal length at 14 years, based on most of the properties reviewed receiving higher than ninety percent of their total earnings in...

      I remember reading some Harvard business study that pegged the ideal length at 14 years, based on most of the properties reviewed receiving higher than ninety percent of their total earnings in that period. Other longer lived properties (think Potter, Star Wars) would have the option of renewing their copyright by paying the government a renewal fee. That fee would be based on the value of the material, and it would increase with every renewal. The long-term success of any property would directly fund the government. Material that didn't make renewal would become public domain.

      I think we should also lose the term 'copy'right. What we're really talking about here is who gets to make money on any given property - who owns it? Who should get paid with every internet view, coffee mug, book, album, movie ticket and t-shirt sold? It should be the law that only the copyright holder (or those they designate to act on their behalf) be able to legally profit off of that work. That lets the law concentrate on busting people selling shit that isn't theirs to sell, and gets them out of the business of being thugs working for copyright cartels to police every internet connection.

      We've overdue for a large fair-use expansion and clarification as well. Remix culture has to be considered this time.

      10 votes
      1. zaarn
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        I would like to add to that, that people running personal archives (ie Data Hoarders) should get an exception. Especially the Internet Archive could benefit from being able to archive without...

        I would like to add to that, that people running personal archives (ie Data Hoarders) should get an exception. Especially the Internet Archive could benefit from being able to archive without having to ask for permission. The preservation of content for future generations outweighs the interests of the copyright holder, IMO.

        4 votes
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        Ember
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        I’d love to read that study if you can find it. And if I recall correctly, 14 years plus a renewable period was the same copyright law first enacted in the USA by a Washington.

        I’d love to read that study if you can find it.

        And if I recall correctly, 14 years plus a renewable period was the same copyright law first enacted in the USA by a Washington.

        2 votes
        1. Amarok
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          I don't have the link for it. I do remember it was building on this older paper (PDF). I also remember that it was in a paywalled copyright harvard law journal and someone on reddit shared the...

          I don't have the link for it. I do remember it was building on this older paper (PDF). I also remember that it was in a paywalled copyright harvard law journal and someone on reddit shared the original study with an illegal link. I'm not having any luck digging up ancient reddit history, either. Is it me, or have search engines lost the ability to retrieve userful results that aren't ridiculously recent? I get mountains of useless results related to the recent EU change even when I exclude it.

          3 votes
      3. izik1
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        I've had ideas like this before (not fleshed out to any degree, more on the shower thought level) How would one go about actually getting this implemented?

        I've had ideas like this before (not fleshed out to any degree, more on the shower thought level)
        How would one go about actually getting this implemented?

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    EsmailELBoB
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    What do you think what will happen after article 13 ?

    What do you think what will happen after article 13 ?

    1. unknown user
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      Well, first, the humanity's going to die off, because there's nothing left to do now, and returning to the real world... yugh. Then, the animals will follow, because the momentum of killing off...

      Well, first, the humanity's going to die off, because there's nothing left to do now, and returning to the real world... yugh.

      Then, the animals will follow, because the momentum of killing off species is there, and with no humans left to keep going, the animals will have at it themselves.

      The last few specimen that are left are going to die of hunger and thirst, as the planet heats up to unbelieveable temperatures, thanks mostly to the suddenly-expanding Sun that's going to swallow Earth soon enough.

      And then there's the heat death of the Universe, at which stage... yeah, the memes will die, so there was no point to it after all.

      7 votes