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MacBook Pro 15" Touch Bar 2019 Teardown - includes a detailed look at the changes to the keyboard

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  1. [2]
    emdash
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    I was just reading this. As far as I can make out, the gist of it is: Two main changes. The keyboard is still likely affected by foreign object debris, which is ridiculous. They've replaced one...

    I was just reading this. As far as I can make out, the gist of it is:

    • Two main changes. The keyboard is still likely affected by foreign object debris, which is ridiculous.
    • They've replaced one component which was previously likely a TMU for nylon, ostensibly to make it more slippy, allowing grit to be removed more easily.
    • The metal dome switch may have a different surface coating.

    Structurally it's the same thing. Some of you will know me as one of the biggest Apple supporters on this site, but they've really bungled this keyboard to hell. My personal machine is a 2018 MacBook Pro with this keyboard, and I've already had to take it to be cleaned once. It's looking like I'll need to do it again soon. It makes me fucking angry.

    9 votes
    1. viborg
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      Yeah I love Apple but as the other user said I don’t think I’ll be buying any more Apple computers unless they change course real quick. It’s especially frustrating that they’ve jacked up the...

      Yeah I love Apple but as the other user said I don’t think I’ll be buying any more Apple computers unless they change course real quick. It’s especially frustrating that they’ve jacked up the prices to insane levels at the same time they totally screwed the pooch on the hardware. Do they care about OS X at all anymore? Seems kind of like no.

      3 votes
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    1. [5]
      Octofox
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      Apple must be burning through so much trust so fast now. Where I work the development team was all full apple fans and mostly have macbook pros from 2013 but now we are looking to upgrade in the...

      Apple must be burning through so much trust so fast now. Where I work the development team was all full apple fans and mostly have macbook pros from 2013 but now we are looking to upgrade in the next year or two. Everyone has hesitated getting one of the new macbooks because of the keyboard issue and one person finally got one saying "This is the 3rd edition of the new keyboard, it must have been fixed by now" and after 1 month using the new keyboard it failed.

      It is likely everyone on the team will move to Dell XPS laptops running Linux.

      1. [3]
        etc
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        Apple fanatics want to drink the kool-aid again. And we've seen this happen countless times before in modern memory. All it'll take is one or a few good releases (or even those that appear to be...

        Apple must be burning through so much trust so fast now

        Apple fanatics want to drink the kool-aid again. And we've seen this happen countless times before in modern memory.

        All it'll take is one or a few good releases (or even those that appear to be so on the surface, even as jaded apple critics like myself note they continue to silence user choice and inflict theirs on users with ever-more proprietary and locked down hardware and software) for those bellweather users to go crying that their savior's returned and go right on back to plugging apple.

        Their brand game is strong (even I can't deny that) and people's imaginations and collective memory are weak.

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          emdash
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          Why must people talk in such ridiculous terms when describing people who merely like Apple products? "Fanatics", "kool-aid", and "saviour" are emotive words which serve no purpose other than to...

          Why must people talk in such ridiculous terms when describing people who merely like Apple products? "Fanatics", "kool-aid", and "saviour" are emotive words which serve no purpose other than to inject completely unnecessary rudeness into a conversation, and it does nothing to further good faith opinions on either side. Frankly it's extremely irritating and not in keeping with Tildes' principles around respect and courteous discussion.

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          1. etc
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            I'm not talking about people who "merely like Apple products".

            Why must people talk in such ridiculous terms when describing people who merely like Apple products?

            I'm not talking about people who "merely like Apple products".

      2. markh
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        I have a 2016 XPS. Hopefully they’ve improved the trackpad and screen quite a bit, because my Macbook Pro, despite its warts, is in an entirely separate class of computer as the XPS. Just give me...

        I have a 2016 XPS. Hopefully they’ve improved the trackpad and screen quite a bit, because my Macbook Pro, despite its warts, is in an entirely separate class of computer as the XPS.

        Just give me back the 2015 Macbook Pro please. :(

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    Octofox
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    Apple products are an absolute disaster for the environment. I collect other peoples broken/old hardware and attempt to fix it but I just have a stack of useless macbooks because even if you have...

    Apple products are an absolute disaster for the environment. I collect other peoples broken/old hardware and attempt to fix it but I just have a stack of useless macbooks because even if you have all the tools and skill its just not possible to fix even the simplest problems without spending more on parts than the device will be worth in the end.

    The macbooks have whole groups of components soldered or glued together so replacing one requires buying half of the laptop again. And now with the T2 chip unauthorised repairs will brick the laptop "for your safety".

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    1. etc
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      Your safety is assured, citizen! We will save you... from yourselves...

      And now with the T2 chip unauthorised repairs will brick the laptop "for your safety"

      Your safety is assured, citizen! We will save you... from yourselves...

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  4. Octofox
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    The funny/sad thing is the Dell XPS is about the same thickness, maybe even thinner than the macbook and yet the battery is not glued in, the RAM is socketed, the keyboard is reliable and it needs...

    The funny/sad thing is the Dell XPS is about the same thickness, maybe even thinner than the macbook and yet the battery is not glued in, the RAM is socketed, the keyboard is reliable and it needs no proprietary screwdrivers to open.

    ifixit has a battery replacement for the xps rated as a 9 minute job where as the macbook guide is titled "Fixing the unfixable" and requires you to buy a chemical mixture from them to dissolve the glue on the battery.

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