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YouTube now bans instructional hacking and phishing

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  1. Deimos
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    I haven't caught up on all of this yet, but it looks like they got the strike removed from their channel and uploaded the video now: https://twitter.com/KodyKinzie/status/1146625729431404544

    I haven't caught up on all of this yet, but it looks like they got the strike removed from their channel and uploaded the video now: https://twitter.com/KodyKinzie/status/1146625729431404544

    8 votes
  2. [6]
    moocow1452
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    That's got to sting for shows like Hak5, pretty sure that they've been around as long as YouTube, and now their no longer allowed on the platform. What constitutes a hack? A hardware project?...

    That's got to sting for shows like Hak5, pretty sure that they've been around as long as YouTube, and now their no longer allowed on the platform. What constitutes a hack? A hardware project? Homebrew on consoles? Video Game Mods?

    Edit for clarification.

    7 votes
    1. [5]
      nichos
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      What constituents hate speech? Similar issue. Censorship is a very slippery slope. But it's their playground and they get to make the rules.

      What constituents hate speech? Similar issue. Censorship is a very slippery slope. But it's their playground and they get to make the rules.

      4 votes
      1. Whom
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        Which is why you don't argue it based on a slippery slope or based on free speech / censorship, you argue based on the merits of the specific line they draw. Them having the right to make their...

        But it's their playground and they get to make the rules.

        Which is why you don't argue it based on a slippery slope or based on free speech / censorship, you argue based on the merits of the specific line they draw. Them having the right to make their own rules doesn't mean you can't disagree, it just means you're in the wrong if you say they can't/shouldn't control it at all.

        12 votes
      2. [3]
        emdash
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        I used to subscribe to this view; but YouTube is a monopoly—one that I consider Google acquired and continues to maintain via mechanisms that I'd consider antitrust—making this rule in my view...

        I used to subscribe to this view; but YouTube is a monopoly—one that I consider Google acquired and continues to maintain via mechanisms that I'd consider antitrust—making this rule in my view effectively de facto censorship. It's clearer to me now than it used to be: when a product approaches levels of scale that it becomes a platform (think: App Store, Facebook, Amazon Marketplace), we need to force the companies that run them to play by different rules.

        8 votes
        1. [2]
          nichos
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          Think about what you just said "we need to force the companies..." That's a terrible idea. (By we I assume you mean the governemnt?) Let the business succeed or fail based on how the market...

          Think about what you just said "we need to force the companies..." That's a terrible idea. (By we I assume you mean the governemnt?)
          Let the business succeed or fail based on how the market reacts. Remember myspace, and how absolutely everyone used it? Remember Sears? The market will always work itself out, unless there's some outside force.

          1 vote
          1. babypuncher
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            I don't agree with emdash in this particular case, but the market often does need forced correction. Remember Standard Oil, or Bell? YouTube is different though. They don't have a monopoly any...

            I don't agree with emdash in this particular case, but the market often does need forced correction. Remember Standard Oil, or Bell?

            YouTube is different though. They don't have a monopoly any more than Reddit does.

            5 votes
  3. [3]
    Soptik
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    This story got a lot of traction overnight in press, such as The Verge, The Register, and some newspapers I never heard about before. So YouTube had to back off and remove the strike. No links...

    This story got a lot of traction overnight in press, such as The Verge, The Register, and some newspapers I never heard about before. So YouTube had to back off and remove the strike.

    In a subsequent comment, a YouTube spokesperson confirmed to The Verge that Cyber Weapons Lab’s channel was flagged by mistake and the videos have since been reinstated. “With the massive volume of videos on our site, sometimes we make the wrong call,” the spokesperson said. “We have an appeals process in place for users, and when it’s brought to our attention that a video has been removed mistakenly, we act quickly to reinstate it.”

    No links this time, I’m on phone. Cc @Deimos who noticed that the strike was removed.

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      Deimos
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      Oh thanks, I was still looking around for updates. Do you mind if I edit the link to point to that The Verge article instead, since it includes the tweet and seems to be the best overall summary?

      Oh thanks, I was still looking around for updates.

      Do you mind if I edit the link to point to that The Verge article instead, since it includes the tweet and seems to be the best overall summary?

      2 votes
      1. Soptik
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        Great, it’ll be much better for anyone coming to this story.

        Great, it’ll be much better for anyone coming to this story.

        4 votes
  4. Soptik
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    LiveOverflow just posted a video about this issue that I recommend to view, he has pretty interesting opinion.

    LiveOverflow just posted a video about this issue that I recommend to view, he has pretty interesting opinion.

    2 votes
  5. rmgr
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    /r/DataHoarder and /r/ArchiveTeam are working on pulling copies of the most prominent channels if anybody has a few terabytes of storage, an unlimited internet connection and wants to help out.

    /r/DataHoarder and /r/ArchiveTeam are working on pulling copies of the most prominent channels if anybody has a few terabytes of storage, an unlimited internet connection and wants to help out.

    2 votes
  6. Crocodile
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    Does that mean Google Zero videos will have to be taken down as well? I mean, c'mon YouTube.

    Does that mean Google Zero videos will have to be taken down as well? I mean, c'mon YouTube.

    1 vote
  7. tindall
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    Currently archiving as many of live0verflow's videos as I can get my hands on.

    Currently archiving as many of live0verflow's videos as I can get my hands on.

    1 vote