Sadly apple is still a trendsetter :( And I've found more and more websites without RSS, which is disappointing. Here's hoping that rss readers like BazQux and Feedbin will be available for a long...
Sadly apple is still a trendsetter :(
And I've found more and more websites without RSS, which is disappointing.
Here's hoping that rss readers like BazQux and Feedbin will be available for a long time.
RSS is a standard, not a platform; which is unfortunately its death knell in the tech winds of the 2010s and probably 2020s. Standards aren't easily controlled or monetizable: look at SMS, RSS,...
RSS is a standard, not a platform; which is unfortunately its death knell in the tech winds of the 2010s and probably 2020s. Standards aren't easily controlled or monetizable: look at SMS, RSS, IRC. Platforms are money printing machines: iMessage, Twitter, Discord.
The latter are infinitely more approachable to end users, even techies are abandoning the former. I use mostly platforms now, and I keep IRC around for some legacy things. Kinda' sad really. Not that platforms are inherently bad, though, I love all three that I mentioned—but what the represent is at the end of the day controlled unilaterally by the platform creator.
The more that companies do this kind of thing, the more I become resistant (to them). I've been voting with my wallet but obviously that is an extremely limited long-term strategy. This behavior...
The more that companies do this kind of thing, the more I become resistant (to them). I've been voting with my wallet but obviously that is an extremely limited long-term strategy. This behavior from such large companies is really saddening. My hope is that there is some sort of digital revolution that causes these organizations to re-adopt important things like rss, etc.
Email newsletters, push notifications in mobile apps and „social notifications“ (e.g. bots in chat apps or actual users in subreddits etc.) are the alternatives.
Email newsletters, push notifications in mobile apps and „social notifications“ (e.g. bots in chat apps or actual users in subreddits etc.) are the alternatives.
Yeah I didn’t say these alternatives are exact replacements. The problem is that the average user doesn’t care if it’s easier to use XML and wouldn’t even use it as fallback. Also they don’t use...
Yeah I didn’t say these alternatives are exact replacements. The problem is that the average user doesn’t care if it’s easier to use XML and wouldn’t even use it as fallback.
Also they don’t use their desktop PC but rather a mobile device to regularly read internet content. And polling numerous web servers on mobile devices in small intervals just doesn’t make sense.
Someone being misinformed and/or factually incorrect != arguing in "bad faith", especially if they didn't realize they were incorrect, and they had no intent to deceive anyone. And people who are...
Someone being misinformed and/or factually incorrect != arguing in "bad faith", especially if they didn't realize they were incorrect, and they had no intent to deceive anyone. And people who are misinformed are also far more likely to actually listen someone correcting them if that person doesn't go accusing them of something like that, so IMO your comment would have been much better without it. All that including such things accomplishes is lead to unnecessarily personal arguments escalating out of control, and increased toxicity in the community.
First of all: I don’t want to insult you or disregard your opinion. I’m trying to argue as factual as possible. As I don’t know what argument of mine should be in bad faith I enumerate them: the...
First of all: I don’t want to insult you or disregard your opinion. I’m trying to argue as factual as possible.
As I don’t know what argument of mine should be in bad faith I enumerate them:
the user doesn’t care if it’s atom, rss or some other XML based syntax, even though you as a developer do, out of which perspective you are arguing. So you don’t reply to any of my arguments here.
increasing use of mobile devices, especially running iOS, android and other flavors and systems.
polling many different servers often, doesn’t make sense on such devices as it uses a lot of electricity.
Now to your arguments:
Browsers not supporting Websockets HTTPS/2 are definitely a decreasing minority. Even without that, what is the argument? The web server likely falls back to https 1.1 +TLS. If an event driven notification system fails once, the user can poll the web site, app, etc. if it fails often, people wouldn’t use it.
Beside browser notifications (which do not work on phones for longer intervals) I mentioned E-Mail, Reddit notifications (which can be forwarded to email), chat apps and other mobile apps which don’t have to run on web engines and which use a phone’s notification system.
I don’t see how users miss out on push notifications if they are not running an app. That sounds like a failure of the notification system. It should run as a service in the background like on all iPhones and all androids with google services and probably most other modern phone OS. How else would the average user (!) use messaging apps?
I don’t tell you to implement an event driven push system. Go ahead and offer RSS on your blog. You are right, it won’t go away soon. If you want to increase your audience, offer email notifications and post your blog posts on relevant subreddits, tildes groups, telegram groups, or other platforms where users get notified.
PS: I think both markdown and hyperlinks are very good technologies yet I didn’t use them as much as I would like in this and my previous posts since I’m writing from a phone and not a PC and it’s very cumbersome to use it on this device but I don’t have any other device these days neither more time. It took me over an hour to write this because of annoying copy paste functionality, autocorrect, app switching, other input problems (and to formulate my arguments in a foreign language as neutral as possible so this random internet comment which won’t even get one vote won’t be seen as an attack). Happy new year.
Oh lord! Push notifications are a nightmare. I try to minimize them only to things that actually need an action from me in response like phone calls or texts. I've been interested in signing up...
Email newsletters, push notifications in mobile apps and „social notifications“ (e.g. bots in chat apps or actual users in subreddits etc.) are the alternatives.
Oh lord! Push notifications are a nightmare. I try to minimize them only to things that actually need an action from me in response like phone calls or texts. I've been interested in signing up for email newsletters, but signal-to-noise on email is still really bad. I get way too much solicitation spam and it feels like a giant lift to set up a second email account solely for account management, pseudo-2FA, and spam catching.
I wonder if a forked RSS standard that supports paywalling is viable. That would be preferable to an email newsletter for me.
Once you login, though, you can share and distribute the subscriber feed URL. I haven't tried to see how it works, but Ars Technica and Talking Points Memo both explicitly ask you to not share the...
Once you login, though, you can share and distribute the subscriber feed URL. I haven't tried to see how it works, but Ars Technica and Talking Points Memo both explicitly ask you to not share the URL when you first sign up.
Funny. I was waiting for Apple News to start supporting RSS feeds to make it my primary feed reader. I guess now it never will be.
Sadly apple is still a trendsetter :(
And I've found more and more websites without RSS, which is disappointing.
Here's hoping that rss readers like BazQux and Feedbin will be available for a long time.
Tech companies have been trying to kill off RSS for the last 5 years.
RSS is a standard, not a platform; which is unfortunately its death knell in the tech winds of the 2010s and probably 2020s. Standards aren't easily controlled or monetizable: look at SMS, RSS, IRC. Platforms are money printing machines: iMessage, Twitter, Discord.
The latter are infinitely more approachable to end users, even techies are abandoning the former. I use mostly platforms now, and I keep IRC around for some legacy things. Kinda' sad really. Not that platforms are inherently bad, though, I love all three that I mentioned—but what the represent is at the end of the day controlled unilaterally by the platform creator.
True, but apple joining in will accelerate it much faster :(
The more that companies do this kind of thing, the more I become resistant (to them). I've been voting with my wallet but obviously that is an extremely limited long-term strategy. This behavior from such large companies is really saddening. My hope is that there is some sort of digital revolution that causes these organizations to re-adopt important things like rss, etc.
Email newsletters, push notifications in mobile apps and „social notifications“ (e.g. bots in chat apps or actual users in subreddits etc.) are the alternatives.
Yeah I didn’t say these alternatives are exact replacements. The problem is that the average user doesn’t care if it’s easier to use XML and wouldn’t even use it as fallback.
Also they don’t use their desktop PC but rather a mobile device to regularly read internet content. And polling numerous web servers on mobile devices in small intervals just doesn’t make sense.
Someone being misinformed and/or factually incorrect != arguing in "bad faith", especially if they didn't realize they were incorrect, and they had no intent to deceive anyone. And people who are misinformed are also far more likely to actually listen someone correcting them if that person doesn't go accusing them of something like that, so IMO your comment would have been much better without it. All that including such things accomplishes is lead to unnecessarily personal arguments escalating out of control, and increased toxicity in the community.
First of all: I don’t want to insult you or disregard your opinion. I’m trying to argue as factual as possible.
As I don’t know what argument of mine should be in bad faith I enumerate them:
Now to your arguments:
Browsers not supporting Websockets HTTPS/2 are definitely a decreasing minority. Even without that, what is the argument? The web server likely falls back to https 1.1 +TLS. If an event driven notification system fails once, the user can poll the web site, app, etc. if it fails often, people wouldn’t use it.
Beside browser notifications (which do not work on phones for longer intervals) I mentioned E-Mail, Reddit notifications (which can be forwarded to email), chat apps and other mobile apps which don’t have to run on web engines and which use a phone’s notification system.
I don’t see how users miss out on push notifications if they are not running an app. That sounds like a failure of the notification system. It should run as a service in the background like on all iPhones and all androids with google services and probably most other modern phone OS. How else would the average user (!) use messaging apps?
I don’t tell you to implement an event driven push system. Go ahead and offer RSS on your blog. You are right, it won’t go away soon. If you want to increase your audience, offer email notifications and post your blog posts on relevant subreddits, tildes groups, telegram groups, or other platforms where users get notified.
PS: I think both markdown and hyperlinks are very good technologies yet I didn’t use them as much as I would like in this and my previous posts since I’m writing from a phone and not a PC and it’s very cumbersome to use it on this device but I don’t have any other device these days neither more time. It took me over an hour to write this because of annoying copy paste functionality, autocorrect, app switching, other input problems (and to formulate my arguments in a foreign language as neutral as possible so this random internet comment which won’t even get one vote won’t be seen as an attack). Happy new year.
Oh lord! Push notifications are a nightmare. I try to minimize them only to things that actually need an action from me in response like phone calls or texts. I've been interested in signing up for email newsletters, but signal-to-noise on email is still really bad. I get way too much solicitation spam and it feels like a giant lift to set up a second email account solely for account management, pseudo-2FA, and spam catching.
I wonder if a forked RSS standard that supports paywalling is viable. That would be preferable to an email newsletter for me.
Patreon allows for personal RSS feeds, and one podcast I had did have a RSS feed you can log into, so it could be worked around.
Once you login, though, you can share and distribute the subscriber feed URL. I haven't tried to see how it works, but Ars Technica and Talking Points Memo both explicitly ask you to not share the URL when you first sign up.
You can do an authenticated feed, look up authenticated or password protected feed and it should give you an idea of how it's done.
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5560955/password-protected-rss-feeds-with-account-verification