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Librem 5 mass production phone has begun shipping

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Details on the phone itself (Both are the same, the USA refers to supply chain):
Libram 5 - $799
Libram 5 USA - $1999

I think it's quite a tell about how much our electronics are subsidized by sourcing from inordinately cheap labor compared to the (mostly) German/USA labor for the USA phone.

PureOS itself looks like it could be a decent entrant to breaking the mobile duopoly. The only sticking point for me would be various applications that don't offer browser options (read: 2 factor authentication apps).

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  1. [4]
    tindall
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    These devices are... somewhat interesting. Certainly the software is very important, and I hope that these devices are able to find their way to people who can improve that software (because boy,...

    These devices are... somewhat interesting. Certainly the software is very important, and I hope that these devices are able to find their way to people who can improve that software (because boy, does it need improvement). That's the story of open source and I'm glad we're progressing on that path.

    However, Purism themselves are, to say the least, hopelessly naive about harassment on their cloud services; they intentionally do not moderate them, and then essentially blame the people who are being harassed in the name of "user empowerment". Librem One Social was the root of the 2019 harassment campaign that lead to me being doxxed and Chris Davis, a Black GNOME developer, having tons of racist comments and even death threats sent to his inbox, and they don't seem to have changed their tune. This in turn lead to Librem One Social being essentially blacklisted from the rest of the federation, so that the only people willing to federate with them are hard-core "free speech absolutists" and straight-up alt-right and self-proclaimed fascist instances. It's not a nice place to be.

    12 votes
    1. [3]
      vord
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      And I'll wholeheartedly agree that's a damn shame. I sympathize with their stance, and if it were not a paid service I'd be more inclined to agree with it for their case in particular. The beauty...

      And I'll wholeheartedly agree that's a damn shame. I sympathize with their stance, and if it were not a paid service I'd be more inclined to agree with it for their case in particular. The beauty of federated services is that you can pick up and move. But when that service is bundled in with others in a paid plan, that makes it a lot less viable. And if I were a customer, I would certainly expect some degree of moderation.

      Librem One Social was the root of the 2019 harassment campaign that lead to me being doxxed and Chris Davis, a Black GNOME developer, having tons of racist comments and even death threats sent to his inbox

      Sadly, these things can and will happen with or without Librem One. They certainly didn't help the matter, but sadly doxxing is going to be a thing until the net is fully de-anonymized (which I think is a very bad thing, as it will certainly turn up racist inbox problem). In that sense they are right, as only user empowerment is going to be able to prevent it.

      1 vote
      1. [2]
        tindall
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        Maybe, but the heavily-moderated part of the Fediverse is a lovely place, in my experience. Bad things do happen, but they generally have consequences, and the same bad thing doesn't usually...

        In that sense they are right, as only user empowerment is going to be able to prevent it.

        Maybe, but the heavily-moderated part of the Fediverse is a lovely place, in my experience. Bad things do happen, but they generally have consequences, and the same bad thing doesn't usually happen more than once.

        Either way, you raise the main problem I have:

        But when that service is bundled in with others in a paid plan, that makes it a lot less viable. And if I were a customer, I would certainly expect some degree of moderation.

        You of course can buy one of these phones and just use a different federated service, or not use federated social media, but it really would be nice if these very premium devices included very premium services.

        I really, really want to be able to buy an integrated-but-open device with well-managed cloud services included, and it's too bad that this isn't it.

        6 votes
        1. vord
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          For me at least, I don't want bundled cloud services, so that's a feature. Totally get how that's not true for everyone though.

          For me at least, I don't want bundled cloud services, so that's a feature. Totally get how that's not true for everyone though.

          4 votes
  2. [2]
    Akir
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    That wording is really panic-inducing. You might want to mention that you don't have to buy the USA version for it to work in the US.

    That wording is really panic-inducing. You might want to mention that you don't have to buy the USA version for it to work in the US.

    7 votes
    1. vord
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      Clarified, thanks. $1,200 difference in sourcing parts is quite a change.

      Clarified, thanks. $1,200 difference in sourcing parts is quite a change.

      3 votes
  3. [4]
    ohyran
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    I would dodge this hard, there are other non-Google or Apple phones out today without all the baggage of Purism. Personally I wouldn't buy it until ten generations in and 50 reviews later. A good...

    I would dodge this hard, there are other non-Google or Apple phones out today without all the baggage of Purism. Personally I wouldn't buy it until ten generations in and 50 reviews later.

    A good suggestion is UBports and Pinephone. OR PostmarketOS on Pinephone with the Phoosh DE (which is what Purism uses). I have no idea if the hardware is good, but Purism has gone hard in with NIMH focus and empty promises. The devices seems fine, except being basically promised as the return of the King or something.

    The above alternatives already exist right now.

    (EDIT: BIAS-BIAS-BIAS I distrust their CEO intensely after a few meetings with him and the companies track record sort of back me up BUT I am also a grudge-held-to-the-grave person so please be aware of my bias, thank you)

    7 votes
    1. [3]
      tindall
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      Phosh, right, not Phoosh? As in PHOne SHell?

      Phosh, right, not Phoosh? As in PHOne SHell?

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        ohyran
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        Yes sorry, you're right

        Yes sorry, you're right

        1 vote
        1. tindall
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          No worries. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't been removing a letter and looking like a fool when talking about it.

          No worries. I just wanted to make sure I hadn't been removing a letter and looking like a fool when talking about it.

          5 votes
  4. wcerfgba
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    I'd love to see a breakdown of costs for this thing. I find it incredible that phones are so expensive and I actively resist buying anything but the cheapest models, usually going second-hand to...

    I'd love to see a breakdown of costs for this thing. I find it incredible that phones are so expensive and I actively resist buying anything but the cheapest models, usually going second-hand to save more money.

    1 vote