There are some informations in this article that are relevant to the public, but a lot of it is well written gossip that only concerns Bill and Melinda. Including the meetings with Epstein --...
There are some informations in this article that are relevant to the public, but a lot of it is well written gossip that only concerns Bill and Melinda. Including the meetings with Epstein -- unless one aids or participate in wrongdoing, meeting a criminal is not in itself criminal or even immoral.
When the news of their divorce first broke I was pretty curious about what happened, but seeing this flood of Bad Boy Bill Gates articles drop recently have turned me off that. This article about...
When the news of their divorce first broke I was pretty curious about what happened, but seeing this flood of Bad Boy Bill Gates articles drop recently have turned me off that.
This article about his known associations with a guy who died years ago, the other article about an affair 20 years ago that was reported to the board 2 years ago, and the rest of the speculation of the personal life of two people I don't know. Most of it coming from unnamed sources, "according to people close to the matter", which Gates' lawyer strongly outright denies as a fabrication (which lawyers are wont to do, of course). All these stories waiting for the divorce to get published, I guess.
I think it’s only relevant in a parasocial sense. There’s a lot of content online with Bill Gates as a guest. He’s got plenty of speeches out there. He’s in the news periodically. So when this...
I think it’s only relevant in a parasocial sense. There’s a lot of content online with Bill Gates as a guest. He’s got plenty of speeches out there. He’s in the news periodically. So when this person you’ve heard a lot from ends up willingly hanging out a dozen times with a man who’s been charged with child prostitution... well if my friend did that I’d want nothing to do with them.
Granted, Bill Gates is not my friend. But parasocial relationships are strange.
Are we really talking about a friend then? Or more of an acquaintance? When something as life altering as being charged with a sex crime happens, that's when you need friends the most. I have no...
willingly hanging out a dozen times with a man who’s been charged with child prostitution... well if my friend did that I’d want nothing to do with them
Are we really talking about a friend then? Or more of an acquaintance? When something as life altering as being charged with a sex crime happens, that's when you need friends the most.
I have no idea what Gates knew or didn't know back when he spent time with Epstein, or if they could even be called friends. Maybe it's evidence that Gates is scum, maybe not, I don't have anything approaching enough information to judge.
So, straying from what I imagine was the spirit of your comment, I think the question of what we'd do in a comparable (though necessarily less egregious) situation is interesting. What Epstein did was so completely evil that there's not much grey area available for conversation.
Putting Epstein aside... If a friend was charged with something awful, personally I'd consider being there in some way for them. It wouldn't mean I approved of what they were alleged to have done, it would mean that a human being I care about was alone and afraid. I would (likely) be on a very short list of people who might show up.
If they were convicted, and I believed they did it, that would be different. Even then, though, maybe I'd write, or visit. Being there for a broken person doesn't have to mean you think what they did was acceptable.
I'd have to consider what the potential guilt by association might do to my own life, and the lives of people close to me. I'd be potentially risking cancellation. Which feels wrong.
To be frank, the only thing a close friend could do to make me not want to assist them in any way would be to harm myself or someone close to me. Just because in that case I don't think I'd be...
To be frank, the only thing a close friend could do to make me not want to assist them in any way would be to harm myself or someone close to me. Just because in that case I don't think I'd be able to, psychologically. Other than that I would be there for them, 100%. Which is absolutely not the same as approving or endorsing their behavior.
I'm really not a fan of assuming guilt by association, especially when the association wasn't exactly a strong or frequent one. And I personally think this other bit of news adequately explains...
I'm really not a fan of assuming guilt by association, especially when the association wasn't exactly a strong or frequent one. And I personally think this other bit of news adequately explains why Gates likely met with Epstein, given who else was at some of those meetings and the philanthropic moves that the Gates Foundation took immediately after them:
The rendezvous was revealed by Dagens Næringsliv, Norway’s largest business newspaper, in an October 2020 report. At the time of the meeting, Jagland was chair of the committee which awards the Peace Prize, and Gates was a potential candidate for the honor.
The meeting also included members of the International Peace Institute (IPI)—a think tank run by former Norwegian diplomat Terje Rød-Larsen that Epstein’s secret charity lavished with a $375,000 donation in 2017. (Rød-Larsen resigned from the New York-based IPI last October after it was revealed his group received $650,000 in donations from Epstein, who also provided him with a $130,000 personal loan.)
According to DN, Jagland said Gates and Epstein arrived at the Strasbourg meeting together, and Epstein introduced Gates to IPI for a “polio eradication project.” Rød-Larsen didn’t attend the meeting but is a longtime friend of Jagland.
Rød-Larsen also had longstanding ties to Epstein, who issued press releases touting his support of IPI while he worked to rehabilitate his image following his 2008 conviction in Palm Beach, Florida. (As The Daily Beast reported Sunday, Gates allegedly encouraged Epstein to revamp his reputation in the media.)
In an email to DN, Jagland claimed Gates asked to meet him while he was in France and that their discussion centered not on the Nobel, but around human rights organization Council of Europe’s work on counterfeit vaccines. Asked if he thought it was a conflict to socialize with a possible Nobel laureate, Jagland told the newspaper: “Bill Gates was not nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2013.”
Not long after the Strasbourg gathering, the Gates Foundation granted IPI millions of dollars; records on the foundation’s website show IPI received a $2.5-million grant in October 2013, $5.5 million in March 2014, and $256,968 in June 2019 and July 2020.
And, in September 2013, Bill and Melinda Gates spoke at IPI’s “Eighth Annual Ministerial Working Dinner on the Middle East.” A writeup of the event indicates the couple were “special guests” who “discussed the ongoing efforts of their foundation to eradicate polio and cited the connection between health and security.”
When asked about Gates’ meeting with the Nobel committee chairman, a spokesperson for the billionaire directed The Daily Beast to a 2019 statement, which says: “Multiple high-profile people suggested that Bill Gates meet with Epstein because he made claims of being able to bring billions of dollars into philanthropy based on his status as an agent and advisor to wealthy individuals with respect to their giving strategies.
“Given the prospect of helping catalyze significant increases in charitable giving, Gates met with Epstein and others multiple times to discuss philanthropy and the work of his foundation. Although Epstein pursued Gates aggressively, Gates had absolutely no business partnership or personal friendship with Epstein. Gates never socialized with Epstein or attended parties with him.
“It’s become clear that Epstein misrepresented the nature of his meetings with Gates while also working to insert himself behind-the-scenes without Gates’s knowledge. Bill Gates regrets ever meeting with Epstein and recognizes it was an error in judgement to do so.”
IDK what are parasocial anything but some things work like a curse which is transmitted by contact or communication. If I'm in any way in contact to certain kinds of criminals or "monsters", I...
Exemplary
IDK what are parasocial anything but some things work like a curse which is transmitted by contact or communication. If I'm in any way in contact to certain kinds of criminals or "monsters", I become cursed too. It's not at all rational -- the curse is not lifted even if you're proven innocent. It follows you. That is true for both criminals and those who catch the curse from them.
There is only one reason to fly on Epstein's Lolita Express to Orgy Island. Correction: Gates did fly on the Lolita Express, but there is no evidence he ever went to Orgy Island.
There is only one reason to fly on Epstein's Lolita Express to Orgy Island.
Correction: Gates did fly on the Lolita Express, but there is no evidence he ever went to Orgy Island.
There’s no evidence that Bill Gates ever visited Jeffrey Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean, contrary to a viral Facebook post claiming he went there numerous times. The “flight records” cited do not show that.
Bill Gates and his philanthropic foundation, which has committed millions to fund treatment and vaccine research for the novel coronavirus, have been central targets of recent online falsehoods relating to the pandemic.
Now, a viral Facebook post being shared with comments disparaging Gates is revisiting the Microsoft co-founder’s connection to the financier and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein — and distorting the facts in the process.
“Flight records confirm that Bill Gates went to Epstein’s child sex trafficking island, 17 times,” claimed the Facebook text post, shared more than 40,000 times. “It’s a fact, not a theory.”
That is not a fact — and after we reached out to the Facebook user who published the post, he changed the text to instead claim that the “records” showed Gates visited the island “multiple times.” But that’s also incorrect.
More than 100 pages of flight logs for Epstein’s private plane, among other records from a lawsuit brought by one of Epstein’s victims, were unsealed by a federal appeals court last year.
Those flight records, from 1995 to 2013, report one instance of Gates flying on Epstein’s aircraft — and not to Epstein’s private island in the Caribbean. The March 2013 flight actually went from Teterboro Airport, in New Jersey, to Palm Beach International Airport in Florida.
When we contacted the Facebook user who shared the post for any evidence backing up his claim, he told us that previous “posters” had also “claimed the same” and sent us a link to flight logs for Epstein’s plane that were uploaded in 2015 by the website Gawker. But those logs, which documented periods from 1997 to 2005, do not show any references to Gates.
Yes, you are right. Gates flew on the Lolita Express, but there is no evidence that he ever went to Orgy Island. I will add a correction to my comment.
Yes, you are right. Gates flew on the Lolita Express, but there is no evidence that he ever went to Orgy Island. I will add a correction to my comment.
There are some informations in this article that are relevant to the public, but a lot of it is well written gossip that only concerns Bill and Melinda. Including the meetings with Epstein -- unless one aids or participate in wrongdoing, meeting a criminal is not in itself criminal or even immoral.
When the news of their divorce first broke I was pretty curious about what happened, but seeing this flood of Bad Boy Bill Gates articles drop recently have turned me off that.
This article about his known associations with a guy who died years ago, the other article about an affair 20 years ago that was reported to the board 2 years ago, and the rest of the speculation of the personal life of two people I don't know. Most of it coming from unnamed sources, "according to people close to the matter", which Gates' lawyer strongly outright denies as a fabrication (which lawyers are wont to do, of course). All these stories waiting for the divorce to get published, I guess.
I think it’s only relevant in a parasocial sense. There’s a lot of content online with Bill Gates as a guest. He’s got plenty of speeches out there. He’s in the news periodically. So when this person you’ve heard a lot from ends up willingly hanging out a dozen times with a man who’s been charged with child prostitution... well if my friend did that I’d want nothing to do with them.
Granted, Bill Gates is not my friend. But parasocial relationships are strange.
Are we really talking about a friend then? Or more of an acquaintance? When something as life altering as being charged with a sex crime happens, that's when you need friends the most.
I have no idea what Gates knew or didn't know back when he spent time with Epstein, or if they could even be called friends. Maybe it's evidence that Gates is scum, maybe not, I don't have anything approaching enough information to judge.
So, straying from what I imagine was the spirit of your comment, I think the question of what we'd do in a comparable (though necessarily less egregious) situation is interesting. What Epstein did was so completely evil that there's not much grey area available for conversation.
Putting Epstein aside... If a friend was charged with something awful, personally I'd consider being there in some way for them. It wouldn't mean I approved of what they were alleged to have done, it would mean that a human being I care about was alone and afraid. I would (likely) be on a very short list of people who might show up.
If they were convicted, and I believed they did it, that would be different. Even then, though, maybe I'd write, or visit. Being there for a broken person doesn't have to mean you think what they did was acceptable.
I'd have to consider what the potential guilt by association might do to my own life, and the lives of people close to me. I'd be potentially risking cancellation. Which feels wrong.
To be frank, the only thing a close friend could do to make me not want to assist them in any way would be to harm myself or someone close to me. Just because in that case I don't think I'd be able to, psychologically. Other than that I would be there for them, 100%. Which is absolutely not the same as approving or endorsing their behavior.
I'm really not a fan of assuming guilt by association, especially when the association wasn't exactly a strong or frequent one. And I personally think this other bit of news adequately explains why Gates likely met with Epstein, given who else was at some of those meetings and the philanthropic moves that the Gates Foundation took immediately after them:
Bill Gates Thought Jeffrey Epstein Was His Ticket to a Nobel Prize, Ex-Staffer Says
cc: @post_below, since you wanted to know more.
IDK what are parasocial anything but some things work like a curse which is transmitted by contact or communication. If I'm in any way in contact to certain kinds of criminals or "monsters", I become cursed too. It's not at all rational -- the curse is not lifted even if you're proven innocent. It follows you. That is true for both criminals and those who catch the curse from them.
There is only one reason to fly on Epstein's Lolita Express to Orgy Island.
Correction: Gates did fly on the Lolita Express, but there is no evidence he ever went to Orgy Island.
False Claim Targets Gates Using Epstein Connection
Yes, you are right. Gates flew on the Lolita Express, but there is no evidence that he ever went to Orgy Island. I will add a correction to my comment.