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Michelin proposes putting puffy sails on cargo ships

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  1. drannex
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    Old school ideas meets new age materials, a glorious combination.

    Michelin estimates the wing can improve a ship’s fuel efficiency by up to 20 percent, based on measurements from technical tests and simulations, said Benoit Baisle-Dailliez, who leads Michelin’s WISAMO initiative. For a large container ship, that could mean avoiding burning tens of thousands of liters of fuel on a given day. The company plans to test the technology on a commercial freighter in 2022.

    Old school ideas meets new age materials, a glorious combination.

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  2. skybrian
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    That’s a computer rendering; they haven’t done it yet. If they put it on the ship and it works well, and it’s promising enough to use on other ships, then something significant would be accomplished.

    That’s a computer rendering; they haven’t done it yet.

    If they put it on the ship and it works well, and it’s promising enough to use on other ships, then something significant would be accomplished.

    3 votes
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    ImmobileVoyager
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    I see here everything that's wrong with humanity's response to climate change. Of course, improving the fuel efficiency of container ships cannot be bad. Now, let's take a minute to ponder the...

    I see here everything that's wrong with humanity's response to climate change.

    Of course, improving the fuel efficiency of container ships cannot be bad.

    Now, let's take a minute to ponder the kind of cargo in question here. Yes, tires. (Tyres ?). Ever bigger tires shoeing ever bigger automobiles, powered by ever more gas-guzzling ICE. The life-cycle of a tire takes more than one minute to comprehend, from the oil well to disposal, but is is trivial to understand that it is far, far from low-carbon.

    I don't know what it would take to make Michelin carbon-neutral. Perhaps almost no Michelin at all. Shareholders won't like that.

    3 votes
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      Adys
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      What are you talking about?

      Now, let's take a minute to ponder the kind of cargo in question here. Yes, tires. Ever bigger tires shoeing ever bigger automobiles, powered by ever more gas-guzzling ICE. The life-cycle of a tire takes more than one minute to comprehend, from the oil well to disposal, but is is trivial to understand that it is far, far from low-carbon.

      What are you talking about?

      8 votes
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        spctrvl
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        I think they're saying that this amounts to greenwashing an incredibly carbon intensive industry and supply chain, and I'm inclined to agree. While I'm sure we'll always need some amount of rubber...

        I think they're saying that this amounts to greenwashing an incredibly carbon intensive industry and supply chain, and I'm inclined to agree. While I'm sure we'll always need some amount of rubber tires, relative to what's in production today the vast majority of the industry is going to need to be sunsetted with the rest of the auto and auto support industries. Mass use of electric road vehicles isn't good enough, we need to move as much as we can to vastly more efficient rail transport, with those sweet, low friction metal-on-metal wheels.

        2 votes
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          mat
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          I have Michelin tyres on my bike. The Paris metro uses Michelin tyres. Also until we have rails running to everyone's door, EVs are still going to need tyres. Etc. etc. You can't expect the demand...

          I have Michelin tyres on my bike. The Paris metro uses Michelin tyres. Also until we have rails running to everyone's door, EVs are still going to need tyres. Etc. etc. You can't expect the demand for tyres to vanish overnight and until (well, more of a "if" there) it does, they're doing to need moving around and it seems like a good idea to do that moving around in a more sustainable way.

          Also in the article it did say that this was just one thing Michelin were doing to carbon neutralise their entire supply chain. Shipping is a significant problem and any steps to help mitigate that are good, as long as it's done in the knowledge that these are first steps, not last ones.

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          1. Adys
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            Not to mention that the effort that goes into improving shipping efficiency for this company will cascade to other shipping payloads...

            Not to mention that the effort that goes into improving shipping efficiency for this company will cascade to other shipping payloads...

            3 votes