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Netflix and the self-fulfilling cancellation loop

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  1. [6]
    aphoenix
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    The author managed to capture exactly how I feel about Netflix shows. Ever since I Am Not Okay With This was cancelled, I haven't invested any time into watching a Netflix original show because if...

    The author managed to capture exactly how I feel about Netflix shows. Ever since I Am Not Okay With This was cancelled, I haven't invested any time into watching a Netflix original show because if I get interested in it, it'll just get cancelled. I don't and probably won't watch any more until they get their shit together.

    This doesn't seem to be the case on Amazon Prime or Disney+ (the only other streaming services I use).

    Edit: I don't know if it was any good, but recently Netflix released 1899 and I thought about watching it, but didn't because I figured it would get cancelled.

    ALSO I did watch The Midnight Club because I really enjoy Mike Flanagan, and usually his work is contained to a single season. When I get to the end and it wasn't, I was actually mad because I figured it would be cancelled. And it was. At least Flanagan explained where it would have gone.

    7 votes
    1. [2]
      Protected
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      I love that you used I Am Not Okay With This as an example. I really loved those kids and the show was generally great and the crew also loved it and wanted to make more of it. Every time I think...

      I love that you used I Am Not Okay With This as an example. I really loved those kids and the show was generally great and the crew also loved it and wanted to make more of it. Every time I think about it I'm mad it was cancelled on a cliffhanger.

      I love watching shows at my own place - always have, even when streaming services didn't exist and you had to use, uh, other means to procure shows. This often meant watching five or six episodes in a week; sometimes it meant weeks between two episodes. Doesn't matter, Netflix hates me either way!

      They're becoming the Google of TV shows. Soon no one will trust them anymore.

      3 votes
      1. aphoenix
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        That was the one that stuck with me, because it was good, people said it was good, people seemed to be talking about it, the crew liked it, the watchers liked it... and it was still cancelled....

        I love that you used I Am Not Okay With This as an example. I really loved those kids and the show was generally great and the crew also loved it and wanted to make more of it. Every time I think about it I'm mad it was cancelled on a cliffhanger.

        That was the one that stuck with me, because it was good, people said it was good, people seemed to be talking about it, the crew liked it, the watchers liked it... and it was still cancelled. That was the first time I suggested to my family that we cancel Netflix, but alas I was outvoted.

        2 votes
    2. [3]
      lou
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      I only watch limited series on Netflix now, and mostly true crime. The Bernie Madoff doc was pretty good. This probably strengthens their algorithms "view" that they should not invest in shows...

      I only watch limited series on Netflix now, and mostly true crime. The Bernie Madoff doc was pretty good. This probably strengthens their algorithms "view" that they should not invest in shows long-term.

      2 votes
      1. [2]
        JXM
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        That kind of thing is the only type of series I'd watch on Netflix now. It's essentially a miniseries. It has a definitive end. I don't need to worry about investing my time only for it to get...

        That kind of thing is the only type of series I'd watch on Netflix now. It's essentially a miniseries. It has a definitive end. I don't need to worry about investing my time only for it to get canceled. The whole story has already been produced.

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        1. lou
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          Well if you wanna watch something great and longform on Netflix look no further than Umbrella Academy, which will release its 4th final season this year completing an awesome and highly...

          Well if you wanna watch something great and longform on Netflix look no further than Umbrella Academy, which will release its 4th final season this year completing an awesome and highly entertaining take on X-Men, time travel, and science fiction tropes.

          I can't think of anything else right now.

          EDIT: after writing this comment I learned that the last season was shortened to 6 episodes from the usual 10, which is just heartbreaking. It'll probably be awesome, but this show really needed a full season to end well.

          4 votes
  2. [8]
    streblo
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    Maybe I’m the odd one out, but how many seasons a show will/might have doesn’t really affect my decision to watch it. I watched 1899. I enjoyed it, but I also thought it wasn’t as good as Dark. I...

    Maybe I’m the odd one out, but how many seasons a show will/might have doesn’t really affect my decision to watch it.

    I watched 1899. I enjoyed it, but I also thought it wasn’t as good as Dark. I think it sucks that it got canceled, but I also don’t think I 'wasted’ any time watching season 1.

    4 votes
    1. [7]
      aphoenix
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      The length of time that something runs is less important to me than if something is allowed to tell its full story. My example above is I Am Not Okay With This and I am miffed that it was cut off...

      The length of time that something runs is less important to me than if something is allowed to tell its full story. My example above is I Am Not Okay With This and I am miffed that it was cut off before the story was told. It just kind of ends in the middle. I haven't watched 1899, but I heard it ended (and was cancelled) on a cliffhanger, and I would not like that, so I'm just not ever going to watch it.

      However, I watched Bly Manor and Hill House and The Woman in the House Across the Street From the Girl in the Window, and they're all fine single season shows because they're self contained and tell the story that they're intended to told.

      3 votes
      1. [6]
        streblo
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        I hear what you're saying and while I would definitely prefer a completed story I have also watched some great shows that were cancelled early knowing full well that was the case. Twin Peaks (pre...

        I hear what you're saying and while I would definitely prefer a completed story I have also watched some great shows that were cancelled early knowing full well that was the case. Twin Peaks (pre reboot) and Firefly come to mind as shows I watched well after they ran and I enjoyed both of them.

        4 votes
        1. [5]
          lou
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          Well those are universally celebrated cult shows, which naturally attract a continuous flow of new viewers due to their prestigious position in popular culture. That is not the case of the vast...

          Well those are universally celebrated cult shows, which naturally attract a continuous flow of new viewers due to their prestigious position in popular culture. That is not the case of the vast majority of TV shows.

          3 votes
          1. [4]
            streblo
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            That's true. Those were the first to jump to mind, but there are many others. My point is that clearly we are able to enjoy non-complete things. In my opinion, if you think you might enjoy or do...

            That's true. Those were the first to jump to mind, but there are many others. My point is that clearly we are able to enjoy non-complete things. In my opinion, if you think you might enjoy or do enjoy a show, just watch it! Something something journey/destination.

            3 votes
            1. [3]
              sharpstick
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              Yes, as consumers we can enjoy an incomplete show. But it is very difficult for a creator to be satisfied with an incomplete work. As Netflix gains a greater reputation for churning through and...

              Yes, as consumers we can enjoy an incomplete show. But it is very difficult for a creator to be satisfied with an incomplete work. As Netflix gains a greater reputation for churning through and abandoning creative material, those artist who want to have a decent chance of seeing their story arc completed are going to look elsewhere. Right now it is a very competitive market for creative as a means to an end for engagement, but soon this pattern of cancelation will back-fire and everyone from consumers to creatives will be wary of Netflix. They are mediating many different conversations between creatives and their audience and if they keep butting in an interrupting those conversations people will take them elsewhere.

              3 votes
              1. streblo
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                Netflix is just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. This approach leads to lots of cancelled shows, but it also means lots of shows in general. So there is actually more of a...

                But it is very difficult for a creator to be satisfied with an incomplete work.

                Netflix is just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks. This approach leads to lots of cancelled shows, but it also means lots of shows in general. So there is actually more of a market for creative types under this paradigm than if they were only green lighting 'safe' shows every year.

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              2. lou
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                It is possible to enjoy a single season, but a lot of people care about seeing stories to completion. Especially because nowadays almost every fictional series is heavily serialized with multiple...

                It is possible to enjoy a single season, but a lot of people care about seeing stories to completion. Especially because nowadays almost every fictional series is heavily serialized with multiple series-long arcs. A series with no resolution can be as frustrating as a movie without a third act, and may prevent me from watching in the first place.

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