It is 100% First Contact. Voyager doesn't do any of the things it does with the Borg without the introduction of an unnecessary Borg Queen. Disconnected Borg cubes are a fine premise to have to...
It is 100% First Contact.
Voyager doesn't do any of the things it does with the Borg without the introduction of an unnecessary Borg Queen. Disconnected Borg cubes are a fine premise to have to deal with, origin of the Borg is another great angle, but adding a leader to a leaderless group ruined it and allowed Voyager to ruin them further.
I felt like at least in First Contact, the Borg Queen was more a manifestation of the will of the collective rather than a discrete individual. She is a specialized drone that serves a very...
I felt like at least in First Contact, the Borg Queen was more a manifestation of the will of the collective rather than a discrete individual. She is a specialized drone that serves a very specific purpose, much like Picard as Locutus. In fact, multiple identical Borg Queen drones exist at any given time.
The Queen defined herself as: "I am the beginning, the end, the one who is many. I am the Borg." Although this suggested she was an individual within the Collective, while addressing Borg drones as "my drones", she was not an individual.
Retconning to make it not so ridiculous. I'm okay with the idea of a specialized drone as even the single-mindedness of the Borg will need some specialization to accomplish their goals, but stand...
In fact, multiple identical Borg Queen drones exist at any given time.
Retconning to make it not so ridiculous.
I'm okay with the idea of a specialized drone as even the single-mindedness of the Borg will need some specialization to accomplish their goals, but stand by my statement. Specialization is fine, a queen is fine, but the creation of the Queen allowed Voyager's writers to ruin the Borg and go from menace to annoyance.
They are the nuclear option and should be wielded rarely and with extreme care. One or two encounters per entire series should be all the Collective are used/seen (offshoots, disconnected, origin, etc are fine plot ideas, but not the main group) and losses/risks should be heavy and wins grand. I'd even like to see a series that ends with meeting the Borg and the Federation losing; either the ship/crew destroyed or assimilated.
In this case, that very specific purpose was to provide the audience with a sexy (I guess?) villainess to personify the adversary with. Part of the problem is when you can "see behind the curtain"...
She is a specialized drone that serves a very specific purpose, much like Picard as Locutus.
In this case, that very specific purpose was to provide the audience with a sexy (I guess?) villainess to personify the adversary with. Part of the problem is when you can "see behind the curtain" at what the writers were trying to accomplish and it feels lazy or hamfisted, even if they retcon a weak attempt to make the decision coherent later.
Yeah it's definitely Voyager. I love Voyager, and I get the interest in showing what the Borg are doing in other quadrants, but they really overdid it. Even if they made more of an effort to do...
Yeah it's definitely Voyager. I love Voyager, and I get the interest in showing what the Borg are doing in other quadrants, but they really overdid it. Even if they made more of an effort to do them correctly, I think the sheer amount of times they're portrayed meant they'd lose some of their effect eventually.
Also really neat to see a YouTuber from my neck of the woods (judging by his hat at the very end of the video, at least).
It is 100% First Contact.
Voyager doesn't do any of the things it does with the Borg without the introduction of an unnecessary Borg Queen. Disconnected Borg cubes are a fine premise to have to deal with, origin of the Borg is another great angle, but adding a leader to a leaderless group ruined it and allowed Voyager to ruin them further.
I felt like at least in First Contact, the Borg Queen was more a manifestation of the will of the collective rather than a discrete individual. She is a specialized drone that serves a very specific purpose, much like Picard as Locutus. In fact, multiple identical Borg Queen drones exist at any given time.
From the relevant Memory Alpha article.
Retconning to make it not so ridiculous.
I'm okay with the idea of a specialized drone as even the single-mindedness of the Borg will need some specialization to accomplish their goals, but stand by my statement. Specialization is fine, a queen is fine, but the creation of the Queen allowed Voyager's writers to ruin the Borg and go from menace to annoyance.
They are the nuclear option and should be wielded rarely and with extreme care. One or two encounters per entire series should be all the Collective are used/seen (offshoots, disconnected, origin, etc are fine plot ideas, but not the main group) and losses/risks should be heavy and wins grand. I'd even like to see a series that ends with meeting the Borg and the Federation losing; either the ship/crew destroyed or assimilated.
In this case, that very specific purpose was to provide the audience with a sexy (I guess?) villainess to personify the adversary with. Part of the problem is when you can "see behind the curtain" at what the writers were trying to accomplish and it feels lazy or hamfisted, even if they retcon a weak attempt to make the decision coherent later.
Yeah it's definitely Voyager. I love Voyager, and I get the interest in showing what the Borg are doing in other quadrants, but they really overdid it. Even if they made more of an effort to do them correctly, I think the sheer amount of times they're portrayed meant they'd lose some of their effect eventually.
Also really neat to see a YouTuber from my neck of the woods (judging by his hat at the very end of the video, at least).