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The Mandalorian | S01E08: Redemption

The Mandalorian and his companions finally confront Moff Gideon.


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  1. [9]
    seizethegoddamngap
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    Excellent season finale. Overall, I feel like this was a great start for the series (and for live-action Star Wars TV). The bookends were very good-to-fantastic, while episodes 4-6 were very...

    Excellent season finale.

    Overall, I feel like this was a great start for the series (and for live-action Star Wars TV). The bookends were very good-to-fantastic, while episodes 4-6 were very uneven in pacing/script.

    A gripe:

    ยท How do none of the main characters know about The Force/Jedi? According to Wookiepedia, this series takes place about 9 years after the Battle of Yavin, which is only 4-5 years after the events of RoTJ. Mando's home planet was sacked by Separatist battle droids, so wouldn't he have at the very least heard of all of the Jedi leading the Republic fleet? Cara Dune was a Rebel shock trooper, you're telling me she'd never encountered a Vader-force-choking-someone/Luke story? Worst of all, Greef Karga. Let's say for arguments sake the dude is only 50 years old (even though Carl Weathers is 71 in real life). Dude would have been 22 at the time of the Jedi Purge, where Palpatine called Jedi traitors to the entire Galactic Senate. I don't know why this bugs me so much.

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    1. Ellimist
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      To touch on your question about how no one seems to know the Jedi.......part of it is just legit oversight in the story telling. The canon reason is that the Jedi were more rumor and myth to the...

      To touch on your question about how no one seems to know the Jedi.......part of it is just legit oversight in the story telling.

      The canon reason is that the Jedi were more rumor and myth to the majority of the galaxy. Even at the height of their power and numbers, pre EP1, they only numbered about 10,000 in a galaxy of trillions and since they were essentially the enforcers and negotiators of the Senate, they spent most of their time dealing with the extreme upper crust of galactic society. The common person would've known about them only by reputation and the vast majority would've never seen a Jedi.

      That being said, I get where you're coming from on it. Anakin on the backwater Tattooine knows about Jedi but Cara Dune doesn't despite Luke's role, and his well known abilities, among the Rebellion?

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    2. [4]
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      Fwiw, it's consistent with the original trilogy. Han says on the milenium falcon he doesn't believe in the force. Admiral Motti gets choked in a Death Star conference room because he thought Vader...

      Fwiw, it's consistent with the original trilogy. Han says on the milenium falcon he doesn't believe in the force. Admiral Motti gets choked in a Death Star conference room because he thought Vader had no special powers.

      In the prequels, "normal" people like the trade federation leaders, Anakin, and Watto are aware of the Jedi and the powerful nature of the force. However, none of these characters had seen a Jedi before.

      In real-life, I think George Lucas had a strong vision for how far the Jedi fell, but he needed the height of the Jedi order to be within Anakin's lifetime. If you're looking for an in-universe explanation, just look at Palpatine. His motivation is to destroy the Jedi. After order 66, he had Vader seek out the stragglers. He may have used his power and influence to erase the Jedi from official history.

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      1. [3]
        seizethegoddamngap
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        Even if Han and Motti didn't believe in the existence of the Force, they both knew what it was on a mythological level. The Mandalorian Armorer called Jedi "an order of sorcerers" and Mando acted...

        Even if Han and Motti didn't believe in the existence of the Force, they both knew what it was on a mythological level. The Mandalorian Armorer called Jedi "an order of sorcerers" and Mando acted like he'd never even heard the term 'Jedi" before.

        It's a pointless gripe, to be sure, since it affects absolutely nothing in the final outcome of things, just a schmedium-sized annoyance.

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          cstby
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          I think you raise a good point. I also find it strange that Mando hasn't heard of the Jedi even though he was orphaned from the Clone Wars.

          I think you raise a good point. I also find it strange that Mando hasn't heard of the Jedi even though he was orphaned from the Clone Wars.

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          1. hamstergeddon
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            This is mostly just my head canon thanks to years of jumping through hoops to account for SW's plotholes, but... I think it's fair to assume the Jedi weren't as involved in the galaxy-wide...

            This is mostly just my head canon thanks to years of jumping through hoops to account for SW's plotholes, but...

            I think it's fair to assume the Jedi weren't as involved in the galaxy-wide conflict as TCW suggests. Remember, you're seeing it all through the eyes of Anakin, mostly, and several council-level Jedi. The show has them appear for really important make-or-break battles, or to negotiate with important neutral planets, or when Dooku or Grievous are involved. But the Jedi may not be all that involved in the backwater planet battles. There just aren't enough Jedi available for each battle to be lead by one. And as the war goes on, there are less and less Jedi because losses are going to happen.

            Then consider that Palpatine immediately pinned the blame for the Clone Wars on the Jedi once they'd concluded. Order 66 decimated their already dwindling numbers and Vader was sent to eliminate the rest one by one. Couple that with Imperial propaganda and maybe even outlawing Jedi or force-related items (lightsabers, holocrons, jedi texts, etc.) and I don't think it's too far-fetched for folks to not take The Force or Jedi very seriously.

            That being said, the Prequels and TCW absolutely did a bad job of making the jump from "all the jedi" to "what's a jedi?" believable.

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      Loire
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      Small correction. Order 66 and the events of RotS were 19 years prior to the Battle of Yavin. The events of the Mandalorian are about 28 years after the Jedi disappeared. Still, it's like...

      Small correction. Order 66 and the events of RotS were 19 years prior to the Battle of Yavin. The events of the Mandalorian are about 28 years after the Jedi disappeared.

      Still, it's like forgetting about hippies hippies for us.

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        seizethegoddamngap
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        I think you're mixing up Return of the Jedi with Revenge of the Sith. RoTJ was ABY 5, according to Wookiepedia. I just threw those 2 events out there as a reference. These damn acronyms suck when...

        I think you're mixing up Return of the Jedi with Revenge of the Sith. RoTJ was ABY 5, according to Wookiepedia. I just threw those 2 events out there as a reference.

        These damn acronyms suck when the titles are too similar to each other.

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        1. Loire
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          My bad. You are correct on the acronyms. They are still 28 years seperate from Order 66. If we assume that the Jedi were akin to special forces in the real world it could be a you vaguely heard of...

          My bad. You are correct on the acronyms. They are still 28 years seperate from Order 66. If we assume that the Jedi were akin to special forces in the real world it could be a you vaguely heard of them but never saw them so maybe they are a myth type deal.

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    This episode was an absolute pleasure to watch. The opening scene with the bickering scout troopers was laugh-out-loud funny. The action sequences with IG-11 were original and cool as hell....

    This episode was an absolute pleasure to watch. The opening scene with the bickering scout troopers was laugh-out-loud funny. The action sequences with IG-11 were original and cool as hell. Exposition in the middle of the episode gives us a taste of each character's backstory and answers questions we've asked the whole season. Baby Yoda was the cutest and most badass he's been all season. We're all set up for season 2, and get the see the DARKSABER in live-action! The episode is a testament to the talent behind the show.

    Very minor gripe: I didn't like the "tell don't show" characterization of Moff Gideon. The guy is described as ruthless and dangerous. It says a lot that he's in possession of the dark saber. However, he didn't "feel dangerous" during his air-time in the episode. I hope that changes in season 2.

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    1. asep
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      I thought the fact that he just threw out Mando's name in the episode randomly gave me the feeling that he was very dangerous. It was like he was this mythical character and all of a sudden Moff...

      I thought the fact that he just threw out Mando's name in the episode randomly gave me the feeling that he was very dangerous. It was like he was this mythical character and all of a sudden Moff completely neutered him. Not only was Moff Gideon completely prepared and knew exactly who was hiding out in the bunker but if not for the incompetence of the stormtroopers and Waititi IG88 then it's very likely the child is dead.

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