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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentThere's little empirical evidence, and I agree with that as my replies to other people. "The test" (there are many of them; I assume you mean the official one) is also unreliable. So what am I...There's little empirical evidence, and I agree with that as my replies to other people. "The test" (there are many of them; I assume you mean the official one) is also unreliable. So what am I arguing for? That it has some useful value to it.
MBTI cognitive functions can be used to grow as a person. Some people can be stuck in a cognitive function loop and there are guides to get out of them. You can argue that there are other methods for self-improvement, but I personally find MBTI a good way for self-improvement.
Here are some relevant pages about cognitive function loops:
https://www.personalitycafe.com/cognitive-functions/105593-please-explain-loops-me.html
https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/post/157072876282/notes-on-breaking-loopsP.S: The "99.999% will say that the test is unreliable" is argumentum ad populum.
P.S.S: To prevent the argument from becoming heated, I would like to diffuse any tension we may have by thanking you for arguing with me. I'm personally not used to arguing so that's why I may come off as bad at it. Thanks!
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentCorrect, and I do agree that there are more scientific tests than the MBTI; but it has it's strengths too. This article I found states: "...And if we want to get an idea of why somebody does what...Correct, and I do agree that there are more scientific tests than the MBTI; but it has it's strengths too. This article I found states: "...And if we want to get an idea of why somebody does what he does, we use the Jungian theory, which is the theory that the MBTI is based on."
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentYes. I can say an ISFJ has a preference towards comparing things to their past (Introverted Sensing; Si) and values harmony within their group (Extroverted Feeling; Fe). Everyone does this, but an...Yes. I can say an ISFJ has a preference towards comparing things to their past (Introverted Sensing; Si) and values harmony within their group (Extroverted Feeling; Fe). Everyone does this, but an ISFJ would prefer it more.
Nothing can be "proven" because this is a soft science that relies on self-identification. I found this neato article after looking around that addresses some of your concerns: https://www.idrlabs.com/articles/2014/02/mbti-for-skeptics/
A relevant quote is here: "By the common definition of pseudoscience (i.e. that there is no empirical evidence for the claims that are set forth by the theory), the MBTI is not pseudoscience. No scientific study has ever found that there is no validity to the MBTI."
A similar article below also states: "However, four of the five of the ‘Big Five’ traits correspond to some degree to the four traits covered by Jung and Myers’s theory of the types. Thus, the machinations of Jungian typology do have some scientific validation, although at the same time there may be minor differences with regards to the definitions of individual concepts."
https://www.idrlabs.com/articles/2013/02/is-jungian-typology-scientific/
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentTests are unreliable, your type is supposed to be fixed. Also, MBTI is misunderstood as a personality theory but it's mostly a theory on how people see the world. I recommend reading up on the...Tests are unreliable, your type is supposed to be fixed. Also, MBTI is misunderstood as a personality theory but it's mostly a theory on how people see the world. I recommend reading up on the cognitive functions, they are very central to the theory.
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentFrom the website I linked: "I think anyone who points to the MBTI as a good example of the Forer effect can't be very familiar with the MBTI. To go all the way back to its roots, Jung viewed...From the website I linked: "I think anyone who points to the MBTI as a good example of the Forer effect can't be very familiar with the MBTI. To go all the way back to its roots, Jung viewed temperament as, to a substantial degree, the source of people's crazinesses and difficulties as much as their strengths. And I'd say all the respectable modern MBTI sources devote a significant amount of attention to the common weaknesses associated with each type.
What's more, because of the MBTI's dichotomous structure, deciding that any particular MBTI preference fits you well involves, by definition, a corresponding decision that the opposite pole doesn't fit you that well. When I read MBTI profiles, I recognize myself in INTJ descriptions, yes, but in reading descriptions of some of the other types, my reaction — far from a Forer effect — is often more along the lines of, yes! those are those people who drive me up the wall, or feel alien to me.
I'm not saying that someone looking to discredit the MBTI as a Forer phenomenon couldn't locate some websites where the descriptions tend to be on the vague and/or rosy side. But that's not typical of MBTI sources, in my experience, and it certainly wasn't Myers' perspective."
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentMBTI isn't really a personality test, but it's often misunderstood as one. It's more of a theory describing how people see the world and it can get pretty complicated with cognitive functions....MBTI isn't really a personality test, but it's often misunderstood as one. It's more of a theory describing how people see the world and it can get pretty complicated with cognitive functions. Comparing it to the Big 5 is like comparing apples to oranges.
You didn't critique the cognitive functions which is where I believe most of the power of the theory comes from. I'm still open to debate, I just want to make sure you understand the theory.
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz Link ParentWell by "useful" I meant that I saw my strengths and weaknesses and how to improve them.Well by "useful" I meant that I saw my strengths and weaknesses and how to improve them.
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Comment on What do you think about MBTI theory? in ~humanities
OneTriz LinkPersonally I think it's a neat and useful theory but I'm open to other points of view. After studying the cognitive functions for a while, I determined that I was an ISTJ. People often dismiss the...Personally I think it's a neat and useful theory but I'm open to other points of view. After studying the cognitive functions for a while, I determined that I was an ISTJ.
People often dismiss the MBTI in favor of The Big 5, but I saw this helpful link that defends MBTI.
https://www.personalitycafe.com/myers-briggs-forum/283457-another-mbti-debunking.html#post8744961
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What do you think about MBTI theory?
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Comment on 7.1 magnitude earthquake strikes Southern California in ~enviro
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Comment on 7.1 magnitude earthquake strikes Southern California in ~enviro
OneTriz LinkIt's been downgraded to a 6.9, but that was the title of the article as I found it.It's been downgraded to a 6.9, but that was the title of the article as I found it.
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7.1 magnitude earthquake strikes Southern California
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Comment on Largest earthquake in decades hits Southern California, measuring 6.4 magnitude in ~enviro
OneTriz LinkI could feel it here in Vegas, but I hope everyone in California is okay.I could feel it here in Vegas, but I hope everyone in California is okay.
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Largest earthquake in decades hits Southern California, measuring 6.4 magnitude
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Comment on Mental health support & discussion thread (May 2019 edition) in ~health.mental
OneTriz Link ParentHey, I'd just like to state that I'm interested in joining but the invite appears to be invalid.Hey, I'd just like to state that I'm interested in joining but the invite appears to be invalid.
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Comment on A collection of notable Tildes threads! in ~tildes
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Comment on A collection of notable Tildes threads! in ~tildes
OneTriz Link ParentOh I had no idea about the Tildes wiki! Thanks for showing me it.Oh I had no idea about the Tildes wiki! Thanks for showing me it.
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Comment on A collection of notable Tildes threads! in ~tildes
OneTriz Link ParentWell, I just thought it would be a cool thing. I was trying to start a general "best of" but I perhaps should have been more clear. I was just hoping this thread would have been linked and...Well, I just thought it would be a cool thing. I was trying to start a general "best of" but I perhaps should have been more clear.
I was just hoping this thread would have been linked and referenced a lot, but a wiki page would probably work better now that you mention it.
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Comment on A collection of notable Tildes threads! in ~tildes
OneTriz Link ParentOh sorry, I was talking about the website in general, I probably wasn't very clear. But thanks to Algernon_Asimov for fixing it, I really appreciate it :)Oh sorry, I was talking about the website in general, I probably wasn't very clear. But thanks to Algernon_Asimov for fixing it, I really appreciate it :)
There are administered tests, but I believe they are also unreliable. If you're not looking into the cognitive functions, you might as well take The Big 5 as they're similar but have an added axis: Neuroticism.
Relevant quote from the tumblr page I linked: "Test results only tell you, very roughly, what types you COULD be, that is, they only measure probability and provide you with a good starting point for analysis. If you are familiar with psychology and how researchers use psychometric instruments, you will know that tests are never the final answer, rather, they are mainly used to point professionals in a general direction or to narrow down the available options. If you want to assess yourself, it is incumbent upon you to investigate the personality types in more detail to ensure that you have typed yourself accurately. Unofficial tests, like fun online quizzes, often yield inaccurate results when they are constructed by people who have little to no knowledge of Jung’s type theory."