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  1. Comment on Civility is on the decline and we all bear responsibility in ~life

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    we are not in the same situation as them, and so it's pointless to bring them up. mind explaining how it was supposed to contribute, then? it wasn't an argument or a point other than "I think...

    What did you mean then? Would the Jews have been wrong to fight violently against the people who wanted to exact violence against them?

    we are not in the same situation as them, and so it's pointless to bring them up.

    Saying this doesn't actually make it true. If you can't counter an argument, just fess up buddy.

    mind explaining how it was supposed to contribute, then? it wasn't an argument or a point other than "I think Nazis are sociopaths", which, ok, you think that, what's the point? why should I care?

    The "alt-right" is just neo-nazism with muddier optics, but you already know that.

    the alt right is shorthand for "Right but not Republican", and so it is a wide variety of political leanings, many of which share a ideals with Nazis, but most of which fall short. You need a special combination of hyper-nationalism and racism to be a neo-Nazi and the are many alt righters (like libertarians) that by and large aren't either.

    but yeah, basically.

    Ah, so we should appease them instead

    please quote the portion of my post where I said we should do that.

    Nope, just want to disillusion supremacists of their feeling of invulnerability.

    mind elaborating? I don't see them how that's any different than Possibility 1, which I see you've conveniently ignored.

    This explains why the Middle East is such a quagmire.

    actually, yes. American military action makes for excellent recruitment material for middle eastern extremists. Not saying we necessarily have a choice in that particular example, but luckily, we're not talking about literal war, here.

    Quick, tell Donny that instead of fighting ISIS and the Taliban he should be funding them!!

    please quote the portion of my post where I said we should support Nazis.

    Look, my entire point here is that, regardless of your reasons, you're helping the Nazis by doing what you're doing, and there are a multitude of other ways to combat nazism that are way, way more effective than punching people that you've excluded as possibilities a priori.

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    honestly, your tactics here are so strikingly alt-right inspired that it's nauseating.

    This explains why the Middle East is such a quagmire. Quick, tell Donny that instead of fighting ISIS and the Taliban he should be funding them!!

    Misdirection, check!

    Would the Jews have been wrong to fight violently against the people who wanted to exact violence against them?

    irrelevant emotional appeal, Check!

    Ah, so we should appease them instead

    Straw manning, check!

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  2. Comment on Civility is on the decline and we all bear responsibility in ~life

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    whatever way you vote or are perceived to vote. I left it deliberately nonspecific. It doesn't matter what your political leanings are, people's brains are lazy and will stereotype people who...

    What do you mean when you say "that I vote a certain way?" 

    whatever way you vote or are perceived to vote. I left it deliberately nonspecific. It doesn't matter what your political leanings are, people's brains are lazy and will stereotype people who share your views based on your behavior.

    So I guess the Jews forced the Nazis to exterminate them in the 20th century, huh?

    Don't put words in my mouth. You know that's not what I meant, and so your saying it is just a sensationalist emotional appeal.

    The only violent sociopaths in this scenario are the people advocating mass-murder based on someone's ethnicity, not on the content of their character.

    this contributes pretty much nothing to the discussion.

    here, I really doubt you are actually capable of changing your mind based on discussion for reasons I'll explain, but I'm going to explain my point in its entirety anyways.

    To what end would one advocate violence against "nazis"? (here assumed to be a slur against alt right ideologies sharing similar beliefs and not literal Nazis)

    Possibility 1: You want to convince them not to be alt-right anymore

    Advocating violence against a group of people only deeper entrenches them into their viewpoints. It's a well documented scientific observation that people tend not to leave any sort of confrontation of their deeply held beliefs with anything other than a deeper commitment to that belief. This is why I believe debate explaining this to you is probably useless, by the way. It's human nature for you to only deepen your beliefs in response to confrontation.

    Possibility 2: You want to convince other people that you are correct

    This is also pretty much not going to happen. Anyone who would be supportive of your act of violence already agrees with you, else they wouldn't support it. Furthermore, violence isn't an argument, and most people find it abhorrent.

    Possibility 3: You want to convince other people that the person you are punching is wrong

    Well, this is actually counter-productive, then. Imagine this: you walk into a Denny's at 3am partially hungover and see two men arguing. One is physically pushing the other one while the other is remaining calm and repeating "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend." Finally, the first one decks the second one and knocks them out cold. On an emotional level, what is your gut reaction? To believe that man #1 is correct about whatever that were just arguing about, or that man #2 seemed very reasonable and man #1 probably didn't have anything to say that would prove #1 wrong, or else why would they resort to violence?

    This sort of instantaneous gut reaction is programmed into us, and even if you later find out #2 was an honest to god real Nazi and reassess your opinion, in the moment you were put into an emotionally vulnerable state where you likely had an increased susceptibility to being converted.

    People tend not to change their mind by direct confrontation, but they do tend to be more susceptible to conversion when they see people they identify with acting in a way they deem socially or rationally unacceptable.

    in other words, Proving someone wrong is less likely to convince them they're wrong than socially embarrassing someone they agree with

    and even more bluntly put, punching "Nazis" is a better alt right recruitment tactic than anything the Nazis could do on their own, because you paint a powerful emotional appeal in the Nazi's favor.

    This is why I'm writing this, by the way. I hope someone reading this is indirectly led to question their beliefs because they're protected by not being directly confronted, as I am directly confronting you.

    Possibility 4: You just want an excuse to punch someone

    to be honest, I don't think you even believe this is true of yourself, but it's the only possible intention that is in line with the likely outcome of your behavior. If you want to punch someone more than you want to cause positive political change, then of course you're going to advocate punching people and then come up with an post-hoc rationalization for why you should be allowed to.

    Examine your motives and ask yourself if what you're advocating is really in line with what you wish to achieve. Then ask yourself if what you really want to achieve is the same thing as what you desire to want to achieve

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  3. Comment on Civility is on the decline and we all bear responsibility in ~life

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    jail is a hefty price to pay to help make it happen. no, seriously, people like you turn fascists into reasonable martyrs instead of political extremist pariahs. nobody will see that you feel...

    jail is a hefty price to pay to help make it happen.

    no, seriously, people like you turn fascists into reasonable martyrs instead of political extremist pariahs. nobody will see that you feel morally justified, they'll just see that you vote a certain way and are a violent sociopath, then associate people who share your political views with your moral shortcomings.

    nobody will stop being a nazi because you punch them, but many people will become one because they see you doing it

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  4. Comment on Civility is on the decline and we all bear responsibility in ~life

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    I think that this point of view is completely off. these labels hold connotations beyond their "definition". the kind of person who would call themselves an "egalitarian" would not find themselves...

    That is, your self-prescribed labels don't matter. Feminism is a great example for this. If you believe that men and women should be equal, then you're a feminist. If you're an egalitarian, then you're also a feminist. 

    I think that this point of view is completely off. these labels hold connotations beyond their "definition". the kind of person who would call themselves an "egalitarian" would not find themselves in good company with someone who calls themselves a "feminist". although their foundational beliefs are the same these labels are defined by more than just their strict definition.

    they're as much a social group as they are an ideology, basically, and there are different social norms in each community.

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  5. Comment on Civility is on the decline and we all bear responsibility in ~life

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    you can be intolerant of ideas, and criticize the people that hold them, while retaining basic human decency. Advocating violence against people, even people as terrible as Nazis, is deplorable....

    you can be intolerant of ideas, and criticize the people that hold them, while retaining basic human decency. Advocating violence against people, even people as terrible as Nazis, is deplorable.

    you're twisting the intent of the paradox of tolerance to justify behavior that would, and should, result in you going to jail for battery.

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  6. Comment on What's something you're good at? And what advice to you have for those who aren't good at this thing? in ~talk

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    Something I'd like to add from personal experience: Explain your problem to someone else, preferably someone who knows nothing about your problem. Ask them to ask questions where something is...

    Something I'd like to add from personal experience:

    Explain your problem to someone else, preferably someone who knows nothing about your problem. Ask them to ask questions where something is confusing them about your explanation. I find that this makes the problem a lot easier to solve

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  7. Comment on Daily Tildes discussion - general feedback/questions in ~tildes.official

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    dampen, going with the waveform theme

    dampen, going with the waveform theme

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  8. Comment on The current problem with ~ in ~tildes

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    I suggested this a long time ago but nothing came of it; hopefully more support will make it happen :]

    but the text presented with the link is automatically posted as a comment? 

    I suggested this a long time ago but nothing came of it; hopefully more support will make it happen :]

    2 votes
  9. Comment on Bitcoin in ~tech

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    uh... no it isn't. It's a fiat currency. It has no backing other than people's trust in its value. in order words, exactly the same backing as pretty much every currency ever (including bitcoin)...

    uh... no it isn't. It's a fiat currency. It has no backing other than people's trust in its value.

    in order words, exactly the same backing as pretty much every currency ever (including bitcoin) that doesn't have a commodity backing it.

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  10. Comment on Inventor says Google is patenting work he put in the public domain in ~tech

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    I guess I'm just confused then; I thought this was an intra-company exchange, hah

    But Duda says he suggested the exact technique Google is trying to patent in a 2014 email exchange with Google engineers

    I guess I'm just confused then; I thought this was an intra-company exchange, hah

    2 votes
  11. Comment on Inventor says Google is patenting work he put in the public domain in ~tech

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    He probably signed an agreement saying any technology invented on company time or using company-issued property belongs to the company. That email is basically a nail in that coffin. I've signed a...

    He probably signed an agreement saying any technology invented on company time or using company-issued property belongs to the company. That email is basically a nail in that coffin.

    I've signed a similar agreement with my company, which is why I do all of my personal stuff at home.

    3 votes
  12. Comment on Markdown in ~tildes

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    the entire table is awkward on mobile. tbh I'd prefer something like {{{Column 0, Column 1, Column 2}}} {{{---}}} {{{Value 00, Value 01, Value 02}}} {{{Value 10, Value 11, Value 12}}} etc.

    the entire table is awkward on mobile. tbh I'd prefer something like

    {{{Column 0, Column 1, Column 2}}}
    {{{---}}}
    {{{Value 00, Value 01, Value 02}}}
    {{{Value 10, Value 11, Value 12}}}

    etc.

    3 votes
  13. Comment on How to Have a Civil Conversation in ~talk

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    I don't think a permanent unsubscribe is really what I'm asking for; it encourages people to do "drive by" arguments where they don't want to see criticism but still want to give their piece....

    I don't think a permanent unsubscribe is really what I'm asking for; it encourages people to do "drive by" arguments where they don't want to see criticism but still want to give their piece.

    which is why my suggestion, the "take a break" button, would still give you all those notifications... just on a significant delay, so that you can cool it for a bit.

    8 votes
  14. Comment on I like not having a downvote aka disagree button in ~tildes

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    maybe votes should be invisible. they can serve their purpose without anyone being able to see them. we're supposed to be trying to discourage "popularity seeking" behavior, anyways. maybe the...

    maybe votes should be invisible. they can serve their purpose without anyone being able to see them.

    we're supposed to be trying to discourage "popularity seeking" behavior, anyways. maybe the lack of being able to see how much agreement you're getting would discourage attention-seekers from participating at all

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  15. Comment on How to Have a Civil Conversation in ~talk

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    to be honest, as I mentioned in this comment, I have a really hard time walking away: personally, I've been feeling the urge to hit "disable inbox replies" a lot lately, which I don't think bodes...

    And another thing I just thought of; Don’t be afraid to walk away if you feel a debate/argument/discussion is getting too personal, you can feel yourself getting angry or feel the other person is simply not getting your point. You can always come back later once you have cooled down... or not at all. There is no shame in walking away before you say something you might regret.

    to be honest, as I mentioned in this comment, I have a really hard time walking away:

    If nobody is enjoying the discussion on either an emotional or intellectual level, the discussion should probably stop. I personally struggle with this a lot; I rely very heavily on the "disable inbox replies" and "block user" button on reddit because I have trouble stopping a discussion even after I've recognized that I'm getting nothing out of it.

    personally, I've been feeling the urge to hit "disable inbox replies" a lot lately, which I don't think bodes well for my involvement on this site. I mentioned here, that I fear coming off as a "coming across as a negative, antagonistic person", and I'm starting to feel like I'm probably already seen as one. I don't think I've really enjoyed any of the discussions I've had here, yet, because I feel like a lot of them have kindof turned into thinly veiled flame wars that I can't get away from.

    I wonder if we could implement a "take a break" button that temporarily caches notifications for 1 hour and displays them after the break is over

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  16. Comment on The efficiency myth in ~finance

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    I think part of my issue is that I kindof mentally filter out political toss-outs like "socialist", "alt right", "liberal", etc as noise. the statement they made might as well have been: and it's...

    I think part of my issue is that I kindof mentally filter out political toss-outs like "socialist", "alt right", "liberal", etc as noise. the statement they made might as well have been:

    I wouldn't really take this at face value, coming from a rather well known alt-right magazine. It's an editorial, not economic research.

    and it's got the same meaning to me:

    this publication is heavily political. read with skepticism

  17. Comment on On making a fresh start in ~tildes

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    it was probably chosen deliberately because it was socially inappropriate. the point was, "should we allow people who make this kind of argument, if civilly made, even though it's not socially...

    you haven't yet made any concession that choice might not have been the most socially appropriate.

    it was probably chosen deliberately because it was socially inappropriate.

    the point was, "should we allow people who make this kind of argument, if civilly made, even though it's not socially appropriate? are we more dedicated to civil discussion, or socially appropriate discussion?" Panda wasn't agreeing with the point. Panda has expressed several times over that they disagree with the implied conclusion of the statement. and yet, here Kenya is, purposely misinterpreting the context in order to characterize Panda as a racist.

    That's fucked up.

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  18. Comment on On making a fresh start in ~tildes

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    they weren't. discussing =/= using. not liking the way you support your conclusion doesn't mean I don't agree with your conclusion. I can agree that the world is round and not agree with your...

    Why would you use the talking points of a group you don’t agree with?

    1. they weren't. discussing =/= using.

    2. not liking the way you support your conclusion doesn't mean I don't agree with your conclusion. I can agree that the world is round and not agree with your justification that "it's round because Lord Higgle, my teddy bear, made it that way"

    3. not everything is politically motivated

    Because you were the one who said it was a fact that black people commit more crime. 

    while I would personally rephrase this as "more black people are convicted of crimes per capita than white people", that is, in fact, a fact. that's just true. you can't argue with the numbers.

    What you can,, and @contemplativepanda does, argue is that those statistics are the result of racist behavior (on the part of the system), not a justification for it.

    see what I mean? you can admit the truth of a supporting argument brought by the opposition while still disagreeing with their implied conclusion.

    it seems to me you live in a world where if someone disagrees with you on, they must also agree with people you disagree with. I don't want to live in your world, and I think your attachment to that behavior is something you need to develop past

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  19. Comment on On making a fresh start in ~tildes

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    I think I agree with you that the assumption that any accusation of being "alt right" must be coming from someone who is "far left", and vice versa, is something we should endeavor to stamp out....

    I think I agree with you that the assumption that any accusation of being "alt right" must be coming from someone who is "far left", and vice versa, is something we should endeavor to stamp out. it's not conducive to discussion.

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  20. Comment on On making a fresh start in ~tildes

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    Hypnotoad was also extremely effective at starting active comment threads. Activity is not a measure of a person's toxicity. The appearance of friendliness is not a measure of a person's toxicity....

    I disagree that the OP's behavior is toxic to discussion. On the contrary, it seems to have started a very active comment thread

    Hypnotoad was also extremely effective at starting active comment threads. Activity is not a measure of a person's toxicity.

    It ends with a friendly invitation to be proven wrong

    The appearance of friendliness is not a measure of a person's toxicity.

    e.g., imagine if I responded to your post, the one I'm responding to right now, with:

    So you're saying you're antifeminist, and that UrsulaMajor = woman = far left? if I'm wrong, please let me know

    if that is the kind of argument that you want to have on this site, I respectfully disagree.

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