Grumble4681's recent activity
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Comment on Fairphone Gen 6+ now available in the US in ~tech
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Comment on ‘Barbie 2’ in crisis: sequel could be shelved amid pay battle and crumbling deal talks in ~movies
Grumble4681 Link ParentPerhaps I'm reading your comment wrong, but it seems you made an immediate jump to saying someone's post has more to do with misogyny just because they called it a cash grab?Perhaps I'm reading your comment wrong, but it seems you made an immediate jump to saying someone's post has more to do with misogyny just because they called it a cash grab?
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Comment on Any significant changes to Tildes are extremely unlikely in ~tildes.official
Grumble4681 Link ParentNot gonna lie, this post hits harder to me than Deimos' post does, only because I had already known that Deimos wasn't working on the site anymore and I think many people did as well, so none of...Not gonna lie, this post hits harder to me than Deimos' post does, only because I had already known that Deimos wasn't working on the site anymore and I think many people did as well, so none of that was news to me. Even the declaration of lack of changes didn't necessarily shake me because I remembered in talklittle's post that he said that Deimos was still the one deciding on what made it live to the site.
So to rectify that conflict of what Deimos said I had hoped maybe you guys were still continuing in the original vein of the 'community fork' sense that it would potentially allow for the creation of new tildes sites to pop up, but I certainly can't fault anyone for feeling dispirited about the situation either.
Not for me personally as I'm not a coder, but I assume others might ask, do you know if either you or talklitle would still be open to accepting contributions if there is someone significantly motivated enough that would intend on starting their own tildes site? Is that even within your scope to be able to do that as maintainers on the official repo, or would such a person just be better off making their own fork?
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Comment on Any significant changes to Tildes are extremely unlikely in ~tildes.official
Grumble4681 Link ParentThis is where you're dead wrong. You're in one right now and you just don't see it. OK, just kidding. People who engage get banned. There's a few familiar names that had been around awhile that...I have seen some spirited arguments here but it’s been rare for me to be in the middle of one.
This is where you're dead wrong. You're in one right now and you just don't see it.
OK, just kidding.
I agree it’s pleasant but also I feel like I’m in a bubble here where I get only tiny pushback on things that might be controversial. So either we’re pretty aligned politically or there just is almost no engagement when people disagree.
People who engage get banned. There's a few familiar names that had been around awhile that are no longer around anymore and when I go to their profiles, it says they are banned. It's also true for less familiar names.
Because there is only 1 moderator on the site, and as his post laid out here he doesn't have much time devoted to the site anymore, the way I'd put it is that there's very low tolerance for friction, because more friction requires more moderator attention, and moderator attention is an extremely limited resource here.
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Comment on Any significant changes to Tildes are extremely unlikely in ~tildes.official
Grumble4681 Link ParentIt's worth noting that there were posts from talklittle awhile back about work on Tildes codebase. @talklittle and @Bauke were added as maintainers. Specifically in the post I linked, it said this...It's worth noting that there were posts from talklittle awhile back about work on Tildes codebase. @talklittle and @Bauke were added as maintainers.
Specifically in the post I linked, it said this
Deimos still has the final say on what makes it to the website. Bauke and I can't deploy changes directly.
But there have been no updates since then, so I'm not sure the details of what is happening with that, if anything anymore. I'm not sure between those 3 people who is able to provide insight on what is the status of all of this and what it means to people who want to contribute. In talklittle's post there was a link to documentation for those who wanted to contribute, but again, none of that necessarily means anything if everyone involved has moved past that.
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Comment on Any significant changes to Tildes are extremely unlikely in ~tildes.official
Grumble4681 Link ParentI think removing the vote button for comments is the right way to go. I like what Tildes has done different than reddit like allowing comments to 'bump' older posts and such, like old forum style,...More importantly, comments won't have vote buttons and they're sorted by new. I think everyone is entitled to an opinion, and voting encourages echo chambers. I don't really want to create a "safe space", but more so a place to encounter an infinite number of opinions. I have a ton of other ideas that I will eventually map out in some form of documentation.
I think removing the vote button for comments is the right way to go. I like what Tildes has done different than reddit like allowing comments to 'bump' older posts and such, like old forum style, but having votes I think is a mistake. Of course sorting just by new has its own set of problems too, I've seen other people mention various ideas over the years that sounded compelling but of course I can't remember them now.
The rest of your description is open-ended enough that anyone can put their own assumptions about what that might look like in there and to my eye, the 'infinite number of opinions' description doesn't seem appealing. Not that I don't like varied opinions, just that I don't find an 'infinite number of opinions' to be a worthwhile goal on its own. There's got to be something more compelling than that, otherwise it's just a waste of time trying to filter through an 'infinite number of opinions' to find something that's relatively unique or higher thought/effort.
Personally, the one thing that I've found as I've gotten older is that I find a lot of opinions seem familiar through my history, in that I can recognize that I thought a certain way when I was X age, and a different way at Y age, and another way at Z age, and I sort of have grown to dislike some aspects of the intermingled commentary of people in anonymous/pseudonymous platforms because sometimes I'll see something someone has written/argued and think 'you'll see the other side of this in some amount of years' and there's no words or response more effective than time experienced that will affect that person's perspective. I'm not saying there's anything actionable in this viewpoint but it is what came to mind when I thought of 'infinite opinions' and imagining finding anything worthwhile to me currently in something like that.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Grumble4681 (edited )Link ParentI agree that Tildes lacks transparency in moderation, I think in some ways it's intended but even if it isn't, it's also just a matter of how it is because there's no ongoing development. Even if...I agree that Tildes lacks transparency in moderation, I think in some ways it's intended but even if it isn't, it's also just a matter of how it is because there's no ongoing development. Even if everyone agreed it was the best idea ever, even if Deimos himself agreed, it still wouldn't exist because it requires someone to spend time, skill and energy to develop those features.
I think over the past year or so there has been some glimmer of hope that may be changing because talklittle and Bauke have/had gotten involved in some aspects of the codebase of the open-source part of what is the basis of this site, but it's also not like it's their primary job and then there's an additional element of those things that they may work on being incorporated into the codebase that actually makes it into the live Tildes site. Since I believe Deimos owns the entity that owns tildes.net, it's always been solely up to him how this particular site is or is not updated, is or is not moderated etc. I have not kept up with the details of this process of talklittle and Bauke helping with development, if it is still ongoing or not, but it was originally stated to be a very slow moving process even if it were to still be in progress so I wouldn't have any expectations for radical changes anytime soon.
Also some of the foundational rules of the site are somewhat predicated on Deimos being the sole moderator, not saying that they can't work otherwise but it would necessitate some kind of changes most likely. There has been numerous conversations about the 'rules' on this site and one of the ones I've seen numerous times is that a lot of people seem to favor rules that aren't super specific and clear cut, and the 'Don't be a jerk' type of motto is a better rule because there are certain types of bad actors who will play to a certain type of audience with actions that they know antagonizes people but aren't ones that explicitly cross the boundary of the very specific rules laid out. So having less specific rules and 'Don't be a jerk' type of attitude is a method for reducing that type of antagonism, and I think it works well when you have a single moderator who has no accountability to anyone but themselves. Their perspective of who is being a jerk is likely to be consistent, and they don't have to care what anyone thinks about it. This is why a lot of people refer to moderation on Tildes as more like a 'benevolent dictatorship'.
The moment you start changing those dynamics, like more moderators, each person has their own idea of what being a jerk looks like. Now what was already somewhat of a vague boundary set upon an intentionally vague rule is even more vague and inconsistent. Again, I'm sure there are ways to deal with that that are a compromise between setting very specific rules and relying on a benevolent dictator, so I'm not saying there's no other alternative, I'm just saying that personally I believe that probably plays a role in why Deimos hasn't opted to hand over the site to the community or anything like that. It's not like there's some simple straightforward process where it's obviously better and it will require lots of development work on the site and design changes etc. to allow for any changes to happen beyond how the site functions now. I'm pretty sure Deimos has mentioned in the past that there are not clean moderation roles or permission structures etc. and that giving out the moderator permissions that he has would require giving people more access and authority than he would be comfortable with in the current capabilities of the site.
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Comment on Is it time to include pronouns? in ~tildes
Grumble4681 (edited )Link ParentJust to mention an alternative perspective, I don't necessarily mind being @-ed, but I'm also not a big fan of it in principle if it's just being used to point to someone's elses post in a...Just to mention an alternative perspective, I don't necessarily mind being @-ed, but I'm also not a big fan of it in principle if it's just being used to point to someone's elses post in a conversation that doesn't currently involve that person.
If Person C makes a comment, and Person A and B are in a chain of replies where Person A wants to refer to what Person C said to Person B, they're not asking for Person C to be involved in the chain of replies they're just merely trying to save time or space by referring Person B to more information already discussed in Person C's comment. Not that it happens much, but I don't personally care to be tagged in such a scenario. Usually I associate notifications with something that directly is a reply to me or is someone invoking my name with a tag to engage me on conversation.
So typically that's how I in turn use someone's name when I post. I wouldn't tag someone if I'm just trying to point someone else in the direction of a post they made, I'd just use their name without a tag to give enough specificity that the other person knows what post I'm talking about.
Edit: Also I get that other people have different perspectives, so I don't really care that much if someone does @ me in such a way, but that's my reasoning behind why I don't do it to others rather than something nefarious.
I just made a comment where I mentioned talklittle and Bauke, but didn't @ them, just like now. Maybe they would prefer to know every time anyone mentions them, I have no idea, but it's not like I said anything about their character or such, I just mentioned what I believed was pertinent information about their contributions to Tildes to another user. I don't feel like my comment is all that useful to them in particular to warrant getting their attention, so I just didn't @ them.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Grumble4681 Link ParentI am sure there are a myriad of reasons, but thinking about your initial remark about using the mod voice and how that might apply to a site designed like Tildes made me wonder if it's not just...But that does take pretty active moderation. You generally have to dive in as soon as stuff starts to go off the rails. Also the culture of online forums seems to have shifted to where people react to mutes or temp-bans as if you’ve committed a GRAVE offense to their honor as a poster and you can pretty much count on them bearing a grudge for the next half decade, so you’re all but guaranteed to have to ban them eventually once you go down that road. I don’t know why people are like this now, temporary mutes used to be extremely normal things to dish out to encourage people to cool off. I’m pretty sure Deimos has muted me at least once in the past.
I am sure there are a myriad of reasons, but thinking about your initial remark about using the mod voice and how that might apply to a site designed like Tildes made me wonder if it's not just the people, but the site designs that may lean into people reacting differently.
For example, if Deimos came into this thread and responded to a chain of comments telling a certain chain of comments to calm it down, the site design necessitates that it be a response directly to one comment. In old school forum threads, which may not be the same across all the different forum types, most of them were only designated as replies to specific comments when you quoted someone else's post. Otherwise the post in the thread is just a continuation of the thread, not a direct reply to anyone in particular. I could see someone taking more offense to that if they just happen to be the last comment in the chain and it was directed at them. Again, this is just an example to illustrate how people's behaviors might change over the years as a response to different site designs and I haven't ever seen Deimos reply that way, I think more likely I've just seen a top-level comment that maybe he can just pin to the top. I can't remember if that's a feature on this site or not since even if it is, it is rarely used.
I also think vote counts and other stuff may contribute to that as well, but I do remember some forums I used back in the day had reputation points so maybe that's not all that different. My initial thought was maybe just that people put more stock into some online reputation and votes are one aspect to that, but getting muted/banned etc. are another.
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Comment on Is it time to include pronouns? in ~tildes
Grumble4681 Link ParentFor some reason I never thought of the parent to the parent comment as grand parent, nor have I seen anyone mention it before this comment, but it's so logical I can't believe I hadn't seen it...For some reason I never thought of the parent to the parent comment as grand parent, nor have I seen anyone mention it before this comment, but it's so logical I can't believe I hadn't seen it used before. Maybe I'm just the oddity here in that experience.
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Comment on New label suggestion: a removable "One-sided" label that gradually reduces the comment's visibility in ~tildes
Grumble4681 Link ParentI don't know of any specific thread that person is talking about, and I'm not trying to supplant their response if they plan on responding, but my perspective on this is that I think some people...I don't know of any specific thread that person is talking about, and I'm not trying to supplant their response if they plan on responding, but my perspective on this is that I think some people that are aware that it's moderated by one person are more reluctant to utilize methods that call to his attention. There's this threshold of how bad it needs to be. In other communities, calling attention to something to an outside party isn't necessarily that big of an ask, hell in old school forums it was quite common that the moderators were active users/browsers of the forums and you didn't even have to call attention to anything they would just come across potential problems when browsing. I think there a flip-side to that alternative where you get over-moderation, so I'm not even arguing one outcome is superior to another.
I don't think the only response for moderation is that threads "should be removed", there's other responses that could happen, but not if you have only 1 moderator with limited time. So you can actually go back and look at any number of threads that were locked over the years and probably find at least a few examples of ones where they could have been resolved with a different moderation strategy if there were different moderation resources available to the site. I actually don't even know if you can find all the locked threads as I think their visibility is removed without the direct link, so it wasn't a specific call to action there, just more of an example.
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Comment on Browser fingerprinting demonstration in ~comp
Grumble4681 Link ParentIt said that for me as well, I tried it multiple times and every time it said I typed uneven and every time I was over 105wpm.It said that for me as well, I tried it multiple times and every time it said I typed uneven and every time I was over 105wpm.
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Comment on Browser fingerprinting demonstration in ~comp
Grumble4681 Link ParentI'm curious if anyone has used Mullvad browser on it yet, besides me? It seems like it's not the case because it said I was the first and second visit, and basically all the data Mullvad gives it...I'm curious if anyone has used Mullvad browser on it yet, besides me? It seems like it's not the case because it said I was the first and second visit, and basically all the data Mullvad gives it is spoofed. I thought all Mullvad browsers were supposed to present the same spoofed details though to make it hard to track off unique fingerprints. As far as I know it's the only browser that intentionally is set up to make it more difficult to have unique fingerprints.
Even with my normal Firefox browser, not Mullvad, it didn't have all details so at least some of it was obscured, but almost surely it would have a unique fingerprint that in theory could track me across sites that share the information. To me that's the key element, even if Firefox obscures some of the info, if there's some browser fingerprint database that companies sell this data to, then they can still create a profile of sites I visit, interests etc.
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Comment on UBlock Origin got turned off with my most recent Brave browser update. Any alternatives? in ~tech
Grumble4681 Link ParentI haven't used Brave but I have used Vivaldi and their built-in adblock sucks compared to uBlock Origin. I don't know if that is just a flaw of Vivaldi or Chrome limitations.I haven't used Brave but I have used Vivaldi and their built-in adblock sucks compared to uBlock Origin. I don't know if that is just a flaw of Vivaldi or Chrome limitations.
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Comment on How do you live simply/save money? What does your lifestyle look like? in ~talk
Grumble4681 Link ParentNot sure what prior poster was referring to but at $5 per month I'd guess less likely to be a usenet setup, more likely something like torbox with stremio. Torbox can be got for $3 a month. There...Not sure what prior poster was referring to but at $5 per month I'd guess less likely to be a usenet setup, more likely something like torbox with stremio. Torbox can be got for $3 a month. There was a big post on here awhile back about Stremio you should be able to search that word and find it. VPN with torrenting plus storing data yourself can be about $5 a month but depends on storage needs if you factor those costs in.
Another frontend alternative to Stremio is Nuvio which is in beta but if anyone is more habit formed around the more modern streaming apps that autoplay stuff while scrolling through the menu, Nuvio can do that with trailers.
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Comment on China is dealing with its own manosphere in ~life.men
Grumble4681 Link ParentMaybe it could be some kind of CDN issue or something? Not entirely sure, but last few times I've tried, sometimes it loads, sometimes it doesn't, and the fact that it worked when you used a VPN...Maybe it could be some kind of CDN issue or something? Not entirely sure, but last few times I've tried, sometimes it loads, sometimes it doesn't, and the fact that it worked when you used a VPN maybe was just a coincidence of timing, or would possibly indicate that when you tried to reach it from a different region (assuming the VPN didn't originate along the exact same network path as your normal internet connection) that there may be some CDN where traffic from some regions reaches fine and then in the region your normal internet connection is, the CDN may not be stable.
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Comment on Are we burning it down by proxy? in ~talk
Grumble4681 LinkI doubt it's the people who are barely making ends meet that are going ham on fireworks. I could swear I remember someone sourcing info before, I think on this site, but can't find it from a...I doubt it's the people who are barely making ends meet that are going ham on fireworks. I could swear I remember someone sourcing info before, I think on this site, but can't find it from a search, that showed there's a bigger income disparity where there's less of a 'middle' in the middle class, and people who are above average income are well above and people below are falling much lower. In this scenario, I wouldn't find it strange that there's a lot of people struggling, and also a lot of people with a great amount of disposable income to blow on whatever.
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Comment on Sen. Lindsey Graham dies at 71 after ‘brief and sudden illness’ in ~society
Grumble4681 Link ParentIt would be interesting if it ended up not being a conspiracy but actuality. Wonder what would happen if Iran claimed credit for it? Presumably the administration would claim it as justification...Also, cue the conspiracy theorists. Graham was the loudest public advocate for assassinating Iranian leaders and cheerleader for the Iran war. He dropped dead a day after returning from a trip to Ukraine to give license for manufacturing Patriot missiles.
It would be interesting if it ended up not being a conspiracy but actuality. Wonder what would happen if Iran claimed credit for it? Presumably the administration would claim it as justification for boots on the ground, or for blindly attacking all Iran civilian infrastructure.
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Comment on Mullvad CEO gives ≈€452,000 to the Örebro Party in ~society
Grumble4681 Link ParentSo you know many other better options exist, but you can't mention any of them. What are we even doing here?So you know many other better options exist, but you can't mention any of them. What are we even doing here?
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Comment on Mullvad CEO gives ≈€452,000 to the Örebro Party in ~society
Grumble4681 (edited )Link ParentThat's partly the point. You don't know that I'm not a criminal and I can't prove it. You don't know that every other VPN co-founder isn't funding Nazis and you can't prove it. What can be done is...Asking for proof that something isn't happening isn't reasonable. You can only ever prove that something did happen, not that it didn't. Or would you like to prove right now, in front of us all, that you aren't a criminal? Prove you didn't commit a crime.
That's partly the point. You don't know that I'm not a criminal and I can't prove it. You don't know that every other VPN co-founder isn't funding Nazis and you can't prove it. What can be done is looking for clues or evidence that show absence of those markers, which while does not definitively prove anything, it serves as likely indicators. I don't have a criminal record, doesn't mean I'm not a criminal or that I don't commit criminal acts, but means from some perspectives anyhow, that I'm less likely to be one.
I just find it ridiculous that they throw out 'There's all these other options out there', but they purposely leave it open ended because they get to leave the comment feeling satisfied they called out the unethical without actually doing any work to provide an ethical alternative.
It's just like the people who were like 'Kagi, they use Yandex, I'm not paying them' and then secretly goes back to using Google. Wow, great moral high ground there.
I don't understand why they made a phone that doesn't support Band 13 from Verizon's network. I assume something related to costs, but at the price point they are offering at, it's already not even a cheap phone anyhow. Seems like a lot of other phones support all major carriers in the US. I guess maybe even though they're selling Fairphone in the US, they probably designed it for other markets where maybe that band isn't relevant and it would hurt their market position for no gain elsewhere to increase costs to appease a small portion of the US market?