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Comment on As obesity rises, Big Food and dietitians push ‘anti-diet’ advice in ~health
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Comment on Men took over a job fair intended for women and nonbinary tech workers in ~tech
meme Link ParentI think you'd still be welcome, just not at the job fair portion. The men didn't crowd the panels or stuff like that, only the part of the event where you could hand your resume to recruiters....I think you'd still be welcome, just not at the job fair portion. The men didn't crowd the panels or stuff like that, only the part of the event where you could hand your resume to recruiters. They didn't really come to learn or socialize so it stood out they were just using the conference as a chance to get facetime with recruiters from certain companies.
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Comment on The Electronic Frontier Foundation, kiwifarms, death, harassment: a critique in ~tech
meme Link ParentRight, digital stalking needs to be targeted IMO. There are so many companies that having selling personal info as their primary business. You can get a picture of someone's face and then pay a...Right, digital stalking needs to be targeted IMO. There are so many companies that having selling personal info as their primary business. You can get a picture of someone's face and then pay a company to find out their name, address, phone number, all their accounts. People have essentially no recourse to removing their personal information online except hoping that a social media company enforces their own non-legally-required policy
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Comment on The Electronic Frontier Foundation, kiwifarms, death, harassment: a critique in ~tech
meme Link ParentMy apologies for being unclear. I do not think the users there are capable of reform or kindness. More like, KF is essentially a black hole of information because it is so obscure and so reviled....You cannot reason with them or make them stop by chiding them to Remember The Human. Only force will stop them. You should accept this if you're going to advocate that they remain online.
My apologies for being unclear. I do not think the users there are capable of reform or kindness. More like, KF is essentially a black hole of information because it is so obscure and so reviled. I will use Lindsay Ellis as my example. For years, KF had a thread about her that got thousands of replies of people posting her personal info and being mad she was a successful youtuber. Because only a small number of people use that site, it never really escaped the KF event horizon. Until the Raya thing, where an enormous pool of social media users (mostly on twitter) decided they hated Lindsay and needed to bring her down. This was when some of the KF dox and lines of attack could cross the event horizon. As another user mentioned, KF is where people know they can go when they have already decided they hate someone and want more ammunition.
Without a well of hatred on mainstream social media against some sort of figure, KF has very little power. It is ordinary people who get overwhelmed with hatred for some internet stranger and choose to pursue digital or even real world harm, using information that occasionally originated with KF and very often did not.
I'm glad Cloudflare dropped them, that AWS will never service them, and all those mainstream SaaS companies refuse to do business with them. The crazy founder guy can't even have a channel on youtube or twitch.
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Comment on The Electronic Frontier Foundation, kiwifarms, death, harassment: a critique in ~tech
meme Link ParentI'm pointing to legalities because the issue here is kiwifarms being able to be on the clearnet under net neutrality specifically. These ISPs claim to not refuse to carry a site's traffic just for...because it's something everyone agrees is unequivocally morally wrong.
I'm pointing to legalities because the issue here is kiwifarms being able to be on the clearnet under net neutrality specifically. These ISPs claim to not refuse to carry a site's traffic just for being morally wrong. Every time an ISP or a service provider alludes to "illegal content", they are specifically thinking US-illegal, and they say KF violates because otherwise they have to acknowledge they made an exception in net neutrality for one site.
"vast majority" is doing some heavy lifting there
I could ask the same of you, who has done quantitative analysis of the posts and their content? No one. I am not a user or lurker there, but there have sadly been many times I had to visit in my time as a mod on reddit when some sort of harassment campaign was happening. (During such times, I need to know the doxxing info so I can add it to automod, and then it's auto removed on reddit before ever seeing the light of day.) So typically what you will see in these threads, is one person digs up some personal info and posts it, and the next 50 replies are a bunch the users crying and whining about the woke mind virus or some such. Not coordinated or planned campaigns of how to spread such information. It actually makes it way harder to find the dox.
It was very rare you'd see someone openly advocating for some sort of "action" against the subject. It's against the rules there to plan trolls, although I would guess the users there only have that rule because such things are considered "cringe", not because they care about morals.
I actually really wish someone could do a quantitative analysis of the site and especially the users.
In regards to uniqueness, other social media sites cause MORE harassment and MORE harm, on an astronomical scale, simply by being more mainstream. Find out who the "main character" of the day is, search their name on tiktok, reddit, twitter, etc, and you will find a lot of very angry people openly coordinating to ruin their life, and succeeding at it.
this is a problem of a site that has become notorious for "if you want to do targeted harassment, this is the place to hang out"
I completely agree with this. That's why all reputable businesses can and should refuse to provide services such as DDOS protection. In terms of "do we break net neutrality for this one site" I do not agree.
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Comment on The Electronic Frontier Foundation, kiwifarms, death, harassment: a critique in ~tech
meme (edited )LinkI think KF should be on the clearnet* and I'll explain why. I don't intent to upset people, just writing this comment if anyone is curious of the reasoning. *Specifically in terms of the linked...I think KF should be on the clearnet* and I'll explain why. I don't intent to upset people, just writing this comment if anyone is curious of the reasoning.
*Specifically in terms of the linked article, with ISPs carrying traffic and net neutrality. I strongly believe in net neutrality and think Hurricane Electric violated it.
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It does not actually have illegal content. Doxxing is not illegal, nor is celebrating someone's death. When ISPs or other services drop them and cite illegal content, they are doing this based on heresay. The owner of KF is just one single crazy guy, so he makes no reasonable effort to correct the whole "illegal content" thing and it keeps getting repeated
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It does not actually organize off-site harassment. Kiwifarmers are stalkers who carry out this stalking entirely online. The vast majority of the posts there and the users there are reposting and discussing publically available information, with no efforts to contact the subject they are stalking. It's a lot like the stalking and surveillance of a celebrity done by paparazzi. This is of course creepy, invasive, and even harmful. But they are not en masse organizing people to hop into someone's DMs to send hateful messages.
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It is not unique in its role as a gossip forum, nor is it unique as a repository of doxxing, and it is especially not unique in being a website where someone who the site stalked/criticized later killed themselves. KF is a very obscure forum that is basically unreadable to the average person. Compare with twitter, so famous for turning obscure figures into celebrities of hatred overnight that there are academics studying it. Every time someone is harassed on twitter and then takes their life or self harms, people who might have been tangentially involved in this try to deflect blame and say someone who would do such a thing was already unstable and might have done it even without the harassment. Basically, gossip and online witchhunts are extremely common and partaken in by the masses who later justify to themselves why it was okay when they did it.
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The disease isn't KF, it's online witchhunting in general, and the cure is more kindness. (And also google no longer indexing hateful gossip sites, which they finally fixed with KF). The cure is thinking twice before participating in a pile-on, no matter where it is occurring. And sending messages of support, material help, and checking in on people who are being witchunted.
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Comment on America is using up its groundwater like there’s no tomorrow: Overuse is draining and damaging aquifers nationwide in ~enviro
meme LinkI was really surprised to see Long Island has an aquifer crisis. I live in NYC, and we're on a completely different water system. It's piped in from lakes upstate. And because climate change is...I was really surprised to see Long Island has an aquifer crisis. I live in NYC, and we're on a completely different water system. It's piped in from lakes upstate. And because climate change is bringing more rainfall to the state, these lakes and reservoirs stay very full.
Long Island could probably have decent success capturing rainfall, but must not have the infrastructure.
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Comment on LGBT introductions thread: What's your story? in ~lgbt
meme LinkNot necessarily a new user, but a big lurker. These days I identify myself primarily as a homosexual. There's LGBT/queerness as an identity, or LGBT as a set of behaviors. I love the whole...Not necessarily a new user, but a big lurker. These days I identify myself primarily as a homosexual. There's LGBT/queerness as an identity, or LGBT as a set of behaviors. I love the whole community and all the fun stuff we do, but I relate most to lesbians and gay men because of the common behaviors, struggles, and experiences. I could be described as a cis lesbian, but lesbian politics are complicated especially with how it intersects with transmasc issues. I have some transmasc behaviors (wear men's clothes, wear binders sometimes, am trying to learn to speak with a more androgynous voice). But I don't have a transmasc identity that I assign to myself or others assign to me.
I did go through a big label journey with my early confusion. Thought I was straight, then I was ace, then I was bi. It took me until I was in my 20s especially because of my desire to NOT be gay. Tried self curing and everything. It failed so I decided to live as gay and happy!
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Comment on These subreddits are going dark or read-only on June 12th and after. Some already are. in ~tech
meme Link ParentCompletely agree. I mod a few very large subreddits, one being in the top 10. We are predicting the protest won't get reddit corporate to change. But the more people can come together as a...Completely agree. I mod a few very large subreddits, one being in the top 10. We are predicting the protest won't get reddit corporate to change. But the more people can come together as a movement, the more likelihood that something alternative will be created.
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Comment on Forks Over Knives - A documentary about whole food plant based diets in ~movies
meme Link ParentI have a really hard time understanding the moral argument. Animals don't like being eaten? Neither do many of the plants we eat. Like animals, we bred them to become something easier to farm, yet...I have a really hard time understanding the moral argument. Animals don't like being eaten? Neither do many of the plants we eat. Like animals, we bred them to become something easier to farm, yet they still have natural defenses.
Vegans make the least moral sense to me. They're so black-and-white in their thinking they scorn honey, or the idea that eggs and milk could be gotten humanely. You can't be a "real vegan" and have a beehive and a few backyard chickens if you eat their products.
I think owning pets is probably the strangest contradiction of "vegan for the animals" vegans. The backyard chicken is okay as a pet but suddenly deeply immoral if you take its eggs. If you think that "animals don't want to be eaten" is a good enough reason not to eat them, then sure "animals don't want to be domesticated and kept as pets" is a good enough reason to not do either of those two things. Just like the chickens we have bred to have breast meat so large they can hardly walk, we have bred dogs to be so pathologically needy of human company they experience anxiety and distress if left alone for a few hours. Once you domesticate an animal they "enjoy" being a pet, their bodies and lives exist solely for human benefit. And if you don't have a truly domesticated pet, like insects or birds, these pets will escape from you if given the chance.
(Tangent but cats occupy such a weird category in this. They arguably domesticated themselves but unless you keep them at home / in bad kitty prison, they will murder every bird and rodent they get their sociopathic little paws on)
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Comment on <deleted topic> in ~tech
meme Link ParentImagine you own a business with a few locations, and you have some main colors for your brand that signage and merch is made in. Location A and Location B will both be going to a conference and...Imagine you own a business with a few locations, and you have some main colors for your brand that signage and merch is made in. Location A and Location B will both be going to a conference and producing a booth together. Each location has tshirts, signage, and other merch printed. Everything goes into one booth at the end. When setup comes you realize that because A and B used different printers, their stuff is very slightly different colors. Its very obvious when Worker A is standing next to Worker B and signs printed by A are next to signs from B. To make matters worse, some of the merch is leftover stock from other years, and also has color differences because it came from a different printing.
And as stu2b50 mentioned, if shit gets printed, the money was spent. I'm using this conference scenario because it's a nightmare, where it will be obvious to everyone who looks something went wrong in printing and even if the business can afford it they have no time to reprint and remake anyway.
Pantone matching system ensures that things printed years later, at a completely different shop, will be the exact same color as the intended design.
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Comment on Semi-formal study of people trying a fad diet where you eat mostly potatoes for four weeks in ~health
meme LinkI'm absolutely cackling at the demographics of this study, confirming all my biases about the fanbase of slatestarcodex. But good on them for being so game for some informal scienceI'm absolutely cackling at the demographics of this study, confirming all my biases about the fanbase of slatestarcodex. But good on them for being so game for some informal science
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Comment on Creators are mitigating burnout with longform YouTube videos in ~tech
meme LinkBetween this and the Lindsay Ellis article, I'm suspicious the Ellis-Nicholson-Contrapoints-etc friend group has conspired with NBC news to get press coverage. (I'm not saying this as a bad thing,...Between this and the Lindsay Ellis article, I'm suspicious the Ellis-Nicholson-Contrapoints-etc friend group has conspired with NBC news to get press coverage.
(I'm not saying this as a bad thing, nearly every business tries to get mentioned in the press)
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Comment on What is the most pedantic, arrogant, obnoxious answer for the sentence "Good morning!" you can think of? in ~creative
meme Linkside prompt: neil degrasse tyson responding to "good morning" by giving a snotty lecture about astronomical timeside prompt: neil degrasse tyson responding to "good morning" by giving a snotty lecture about astronomical time
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Comment on Where/how should I acquire a .com domain for three years in advance? in ~tech
meme LinkAnother recc for Namecheap. Reasonable pricing, understandable interface, options for automatic renewal. (Basically the same as paying in advance)Another recc for Namecheap. Reasonable pricing, understandable interface, options for automatic renewal. (Basically the same as paying in advance)
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Comment on <deleted topic> in ~lgbt
meme LinkMy personal sensibilities and views about gender is that it is both prescriptive and descriptive if you separate it into components, and is especially different in what is internally determined vs...My personal sensibilities and views about gender is that it is both prescriptive and descriptive if you separate it into components, and is especially different in what is internally determined vs externally determined when you separate it. Gender is a role you fill, a performance you put on, an experience you have, a thing other people assign to you, and an identity you assign to yourself. And none of those things are necessarily fixed and can very based on context.
To some degree I think that being homosexual automatically confers a degree of gender non conformity or "non binaryness". So much of gender is built around heterosexual attraction and heterosexual roles. I'm a lesbian and I truly feel like my gender is "lesbian" more than it is "woman". What most people ascribe to the "woman" role and "womanhood" simply don't fit me. Gender non conformity is super common in queer people too and I prefer to dress and present androgynous. My interests and hobbies are both masculine and feminine, and I've been told my typing style is somewhat masculine but my mannerisms IRL are slightly feminine.
On the internet, most of the time, I present as male and I'm gendered as male. In real life, I present as a female bodied person who wears mostly men's clothes and 98% of the time I'm gendered as female by others. In lesbian and wlw circles, I'm not a butch lesbian or a femme lesbian but I'm considered "boyish" or "masculine" to some degree. So my gender experience definitely changes based on context.
There's also the aspect of "transness" itself as a gender, like experiencing dysphoria or doing physical transition things like voice training, hrt, surgery, etc. Some people might classify me as being under the trans umbrella, but in my personal definition I think it would only fit me if I had strong dysphoria or a desire for physical transition.
There are a shitton of different philosophical approaches to the nature of gender, especially in the queer community, and it can be hard to pin down and is definitely a source of a lot of debate! I've got a "live and let live" approach. (I think most of us do). Even if my conception on gender takes into account how outside observers gender me, for some people the main and largest component of their sense of gender is identity and internal experience. These kinds of conversations are fascinating to me so thank you for a good prompt!
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Comment on Walking away from Omelas - Lindsay Ellis says goodbye in ~life
meme LinkCases like Lindsay Ellis and Jenna Marbles have made me extremely cynical about the notion of "accountability" online. An accountability process, at least in person with ones friends, first begins...- Exemplary
Cases like Lindsay Ellis and Jenna Marbles have made me extremely cynical about the notion of "accountability" online. An accountability process, at least in person with ones friends, first begins with the wronged party raising an issue because they WANT for the relationship to be repaired. For example if a friend says something that hurt me, and I bring it up later, I could be doing it because I want to forgive them, or I could be doing it solely for the goal of making them feel bad. You'd have to be a real jerk to call a friend out just to twist the knife, and you'd lose someone you care about. So all the callouts I've made or that got called out on me had a completely different energy, where we all want to find a way to move on and make peace. And on the internet, most callouts are even worse in their motivations because you gain status for yourself by calling someone else out and knocking them down a peg. Most internet callouts begin with a desire to tear an enemy down.
And why did Lindsay have so many "enemies"? Honestly, I think it begins and ends with her personality and style of speaking being really annoying. (Well, annoying to some people). I feel like it created this well of anger in people, "How is this annoying mediocre woman with a bad personality so successful at a job that depends on her personality?"
Option A: People simply have different tastes and she only suits some of them.
Option B: It's all a conspiracy to prop up mediocre white woman and suck away the resources from more deserving creators.
So I see a lot of bitter people, white or not, landing on Option B and running with it, then believing every single thing Lindsay does is part of the Mediocrity Industrial Complex and she must be defeated at all costs. I don't think it's fair to blame "bad faith", the right wing, or malicious actors. There are a lot of people on the left who legitimately hate Lindsay and are tired of seeing her face pop up in Youtube recommendations. That's the simple beginning and end of it.
If I want to go full armchair psychology, I think it's because attention and kindness are two resources that are extremely scarce on the internet. People are bitter to begin with because they have not gotten the kindness or attention they needed, so when they see someone else getting it they start to think any sort of kindness or attention at all must be "deserved", and only the most perfect people deserve it. They think they are being noble by cancelling Lindsay and conserving resources.
Where this all gets volatile is that Lindsay herself has participated in some of these cancel culture shenanigans. No one is innocent, to be clear. I've done it too and anyone who is online a lot has as well. I wonder if being more introspective about the "why" would make people think twice before participating in a pile on. What made me feel such a strong sense of constant injustice that I'm looking to get relief by e-bullying a D list internet celebrity?
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Comment on I am a transwoman, I am in the closet and I am not coming out in ~lgbt
meme Link ParentHonestly I'm glad the title itself spoke to you, I think there are parts of the article that have value for speaking to the kind of pain in choosing not to transition. It would be perfect if it...Honestly I'm glad the title itself spoke to you, I think there are parts of the article that have value for speaking to the kind of pain in choosing not to transition. It would be perfect if it wasn't for all the weird agenda-pushing about misandry and how feminists are all shrill man haters.
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Comment on I am a transwoman, I am in the closet and I am not coming out in ~lgbt
meme LinkI remember at the time being really suspicious of this author, because all their reasons about not wanting to transition essentially boil down to hating other women, and specifically feminist...I remember at the time being really suspicious of this author, because all their reasons about not wanting to transition essentially boil down to hating other women, and specifically feminist women. The author keeps pushing this sort of angle that because feminist women have complaints and grievances with cis men, it is their fault she cannot transition. She lays the issue of transmisogyny entirely at the feet of cis women, while having little to say about cis men's role in the issue. She keeps complaining about "misandry" that feminists have and how it prevents her from transitioning. She has not written anything else before or since. I am just as convinced now as I was in 2018 that the article was written as some sort of troll calculated to rile up as many different groups as possible. The entire conceit of the article is "misandry is real and if you think otherwise you are harming me".
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Comment on On communicating accurately with Americans in ~humanities
meme Link ParentHe seems very fussy and particular, especially because this was written BEFORE covid! Maybe he's chilled out since 2019? I hope so!He seems very fussy and particular, especially because this was written BEFORE covid! Maybe he's chilled out since 2019? I hope so!
It's interesting to me cereal companies are going hardcore on funding this because pro-diet culture is hurting their sales. Sugary cereal like Lucky Charms are actually kind of low calorie! Two bowls with milk would be like 400 cals. I keep a rough count of my calories and it's my go-to easy, small meal. I also eat "healthy" cereals like Frosted Mini Wheats and Raisin Bran and they have more calories than the sugar cereals (but way more fiber).
So clearly they're going the route of making consumers think sugary cereals are a treat and an indulgence food. But General Mills also makes Pillsbury and Haagen Dazs, so I guess taking the "high calorie food is good" covers more of their brands than trying to teach people they're wrong about cereal calories.