I hate the fact that this library board is following a policy that a very small percentage of libraries are doing. I know it is a small sample size, but even then by scaling it up the national...
She gathered information from 42 libraries across the country, including some in California, Louisiana and Massachusetts. Of those, only six reshelved books after complaints that they were inappropriate for children because of content on sexuality.
I hate the fact that this library board is following a policy that a very small percentage of libraries are doing. I know it is a small sample size, but even then by scaling it up the national number, it is still a really small number. The reason that I hate this, is that children's books are great resources for kids because some of them deal with heavy topics such as race, sexuality and gender. Along with how to deal with death, disabilities etc. To which, these same people are doing by making their own (really fucked up) children's books. So they do know that children books are great education tools that parents can use to reach their children things.
The library — which serves a community of about 40,000 residents — is considering a new policy at the direction of its board of trustees. If approved, it would require that children’s books...
The library — which serves a community of about 40,000 residents — is considering a new policy at the direction of its board of trustees. If approved, it would require that children’s books dealing with race, gender and sexuality be reshelved in the adult section.
This stuff is always so crazy to me because didn't everyone grow up reading books their parents probably wouldn't have wanted them to read yet, watching movies they weren't supposed to be old...
This stuff is always so crazy to me because didn't everyone grow up reading books their parents probably wouldn't have wanted them to read yet, watching movies they weren't supposed to be old enough to see, clicking "I'm over 18" on porn sites they shouldn't have been on, and playing video games their parents would think are way too violent?
If so, why freak out so much about someone doing the exact same thing that went fine for you? If not, who are all these people who apparently never did anything their parents didn't like?
Because it isn't really about protecting children, it's about erasing things that make conservative white people uncomfortable from the popular consciousness. Gays and trans people are icky to...
Because it isn't really about protecting children, it's about erasing things that make conservative white people uncomfortable from the popular consciousness. Gays and trans people are icky to them, and they don't like being told they should feel bad because their culture was based on slavery and genocide. So the obvious answer is to hide those facts, pretend they don't exist. Much easier than figuring out how you actually feel about those things and what should be done about them, and having an embarrassing conversation with your kids, God forbid.
Is a book featuring a mom and a dad featuring majority sexual practices? It seems ridiculous that a kids book that features two moms should be treated any differently.
But there is no way to make children's books out of minority sexual practices. That is simply insane.
Is a book featuring a mom and a dad featuring majority sexual practices? It seems ridiculous that a kids book that features two moms should be treated any differently.
Yeah, the children's books that feature same sex coupled are typically the ones that have them as the parents of the child in the book. The weird ones are the ones that are written by the people...
Yeah, the children's books that feature same sex coupled are typically the ones that have them as the parents of the child in the book. The weird ones are the ones that are written by the people at PragerU (see my comment to this thread), that do the things that they accuse the challenged books of doing. Also books, like these are typically are geared towards the kids that have the two dads or moms, not the ones with the traditional family structure (not sure if this the correct way to put this).
Falsehoods like expressing that there are families with trans parents or families with parents of the same gender are as harmful as fetish pornography. As for if there's enough societal acceptance...
The letter, which called for library Director Vanja Anderson to be terminated if she did not reshelve the books to the adult section, echoed conspiracies and falsehoods about the LGBTQ+ community that have been used by anti-LGBTQ+ organizers nationwide and in Nevada.
Falsehoods like expressing that there are families with trans parents or families with parents of the same gender are as harmful as fetish pornography.
Similar refrains echo through the library board meetings in Pahrump and several other states, with challengers to inclusive content stating that being LGBTQ+ is dangerous and exposing children to LGBTQ+ people and stories is equivalent to exposing them to sexual abuse.
As for if there's enough societal acceptance now
Caldwell-Stone also explained that segregating certain books can add to the stigmatization of LGBTQ+ youths and adults.
Libraries that segregate books “send a very explicit message to those young people, particularly who might be gay, or transgender, or have family members who are gay or transgender, that they're outsiders and that they don't belong in the community — that their very lives and their very identities are not acceptable,” she said.
This isn't about introducing kids to deviant sexual practices, it's about teaching them that people who look and love differently from them can be normal and accepted. It's introducing these concepts so that when they are older, they have a foundation to form their own understanding of the topic. Without it, kids just have their own parents' opinions on the matter to learn from, and librarys shouldn't be forced to perpetuate bigotry. And like the article says, if the fringe group that finds this unacceptable is afraid of their kid learning about topics they don't like, they can always accompany their kid to the library.
If you think that letting kids learn about LGBTQ+ topics early will make the community lose ground, whereas allowing these books to be restricted or banned won't, I really don't know what to tell you.
is there a concrete example you can point to of a book meant for 3-5 year olds that talks about sexual practices at all? gay, straight, whatever. discussion of this issue seems to always focus on...
But there is no way to make children's books out of minority sexual practices. That is simply insane.
is there a concrete example you can point to of a book meant for 3-5 year olds that talks about sexual practices at all? gay, straight, whatever.
discussion of this issue seems to always focus on hypothetical children reading hypothetical books. I think it'd be useful to get specific about which books have such objectionable content.
Kids deal with sexuality all the time. People just don't like to admit it. They see their parents in relationships, they see passing references to sex in almost every piece of media imaginable....
Kids deal with sexuality all the time. People just don't like to admit it. They see their parents in relationships, they see passing references to sex in almost every piece of media imaginable. They see it because it's a fact of life. It's in the world. Waiting around to address this very fundamental aspect of life until their bodies are screaming at them to get busy already seems foolhardy.
I heard an analogy once many years ago that's stuck with me: if you were never told cars exist, weren't allowed to discuss internal combustion engines, or road signs, or traffic laws, and then somebody suddenly handed you a set of keys to a Maserati, nobody would be surprised if you had a few crashes.
I see this as yet another instance of a plurality of people enforcing their own religious and moral hangups on the society as a whole. That's insanity.
I can't speak for every book. But all the things I've seen people freaking out about either just have some gay characters, or it's just the same sort of stuff they told us in health class when I...
I can't speak for every book. But all the things I've seen people freaking out about either just have some gay characters, or it's just the same sort of stuff they told us in health class when I was a kid.
Everything is a zero-sum game for religious fanatics. It's hard to 'compromise' with people when they believe in an entirely different reality from the rest of us.
Everything is a zero-sum game for religious fanatics. It's hard to 'compromise' with people when they believe in an entirely different reality from the rest of us.
I hate the fact that this library board is following a policy that a very small percentage of libraries are doing. I know it is a small sample size, but even then by scaling it up the national number, it is still a really small number. The reason that I hate this, is that children's books are great resources for kids because some of them deal with heavy topics such as race, sexuality and gender. Along with how to deal with death, disabilities etc. To which, these same people are doing by making their own (really fucked up) children's books. So they do know that children books are great education tools that parents can use to reach their children things.
I agree with you. This deserves nation wide publicity.
The library — which serves a community of about 40,000 residents — is considering a new policy at the direction of its board of trustees. If approved, it would require that children’s books dealing with race, gender and sexuality be reshelved in the adult section.
This stuff is always so crazy to me because didn't everyone grow up reading books their parents probably wouldn't have wanted them to read yet, watching movies they weren't supposed to be old enough to see, clicking "I'm over 18" on porn sites they shouldn't have been on, and playing video games their parents would think are way too violent?
If so, why freak out so much about someone doing the exact same thing that went fine for you? If not, who are all these people who apparently never did anything their parents didn't like?
Because it isn't really about protecting children, it's about erasing things that make conservative white people uncomfortable from the popular consciousness. Gays and trans people are icky to them, and they don't like being told they should feel bad because their culture was based on slavery and genocide. So the obvious answer is to hide those facts, pretend they don't exist. Much easier than figuring out how you actually feel about those things and what should be done about them, and having an embarrassing conversation with your kids, God forbid.
Is a book featuring a mom and a dad featuring majority sexual practices? It seems ridiculous that a kids book that features two moms should be treated any differently.
Yeah, the children's books that feature same sex coupled are typically the ones that have them as the parents of the child in the book. The weird ones are the ones that are written by the people at PragerU (see my comment to this thread), that do the things that they accuse the challenged books of doing. Also books, like these are typically are geared towards the kids that have the two dads or moms, not the ones with the traditional family structure (not sure if this the correct way to put this).
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Falsehoods like expressing that there are families with trans parents or families with parents of the same gender are as harmful as fetish pornography.
As for if there's enough societal acceptance now
This isn't about introducing kids to deviant sexual practices, it's about teaching them that people who look and love differently from them can be normal and accepted. It's introducing these concepts so that when they are older, they have a foundation to form their own understanding of the topic. Without it, kids just have their own parents' opinions on the matter to learn from, and librarys shouldn't be forced to perpetuate bigotry. And like the article says, if the fringe group that finds this unacceptable is afraid of their kid learning about topics they don't like, they can always accompany their kid to the library.
If you think that letting kids learn about LGBTQ+ topics early will make the community lose ground, whereas allowing these books to be restricted or banned won't, I really don't know what to tell you.
is there a concrete example you can point to of a book meant for 3-5 year olds that talks about sexual practices at all? gay, straight, whatever.
discussion of this issue seems to always focus on hypothetical children reading hypothetical books. I think it'd be useful to get specific about which books have such objectionable content.
Kids deal with sexuality all the time. People just don't like to admit it. They see their parents in relationships, they see passing references to sex in almost every piece of media imaginable. They see it because it's a fact of life. It's in the world. Waiting around to address this very fundamental aspect of life until their bodies are screaming at them to get busy already seems foolhardy.
I heard an analogy once many years ago that's stuck with me: if you were never told cars exist, weren't allowed to discuss internal combustion engines, or road signs, or traffic laws, and then somebody suddenly handed you a set of keys to a Maserati, nobody would be surprised if you had a few crashes.
I see this as yet another instance of a plurality of people enforcing their own religious and moral hangups on the society as a whole. That's insanity.
At least you are arguing in good faith. Many people objecting to this also object to lgbt people existing in public at all.
I can't speak for every book. But all the things I've seen people freaking out about either just have some gay characters, or it's just the same sort of stuff they told us in health class when I was a kid.
Everything is a zero-sum game for religious fanatics. It's hard to 'compromise' with people when they believe in an entirely different reality from the rest of us.