11 votes

Keybase, Zoom and Messaging

13 comments

  1. [8]
    Bullmaestro
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    My employer originally tried to use Google Hangouts but after a few days of frantic connection issues and other technical problems they switched to Zoom, to the point of buying business licences....

    My employer originally tried to use Google Hangouts but after a few days of frantic connection issues and other technical problems they switched to Zoom, to the point of buying business licences. We also ended up buying Slack licences because of the message visibility limit..

    Funny thing is... we have Microsoft Office 365 Business licences too, and could easily have saved money by just switching to Microsoft Teams for both instant messaging and remote VOIP calls instead.

    9 votes
    1. [6]
      Grzmot
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      So why didn't you?

      Funny thing is... we have Microsoft Office 365 Business licences too, and could easily have saved money by just switching to Microsoft Teams for both instant messaging and remote VOIP calls instead.

      So why didn't you?

      2 votes
      1. [3]
        Bullmaestro
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        I'm not the one who makes the decisions. I suggested it several times and was ignored.

        I'm not the one who makes the decisions. I suggested it several times and was ignored.

        6 votes
        1. [2]
          Grzmot
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          My reply was poorly worded. I was asking why your company made the decision to not use Teams when it was already a MS365 subscriber, I didn't want to imply you were responsible, apologies.

          My reply was poorly worded. I was asking why your company made the decision to not use Teams when it was already a MS365 subscriber, I didn't want to imply you were responsible, apologies.

          2 votes
          1. Bullmaestro
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            I think it's because we used Slack actively since around 2017, albeit the free tier with limited messages, and this was before we migrated to Office 365 licences. When we had to transfer to...

            I think it's because we used Slack actively since around 2017, albeit the free tier with limited messages, and this was before we migrated to Office 365 licences.

            When we had to transfer to largely working from home, the amount of messages we sent was far greater and so the need for a standard licence greatly increased.

      2. TheJorro
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        I've been using all these tools heavily for years now in multiple organizations. I'd say that O365 works best when a) the organization is heavily using all parts of O365 to a good degree, and b)...

        I've been using all these tools heavily for years now in multiple organizations. I'd say that O365 works best when a) the organization is heavily using all parts of O365 to a good degree, and b) has a very good central IT group that can quickly and willingly adjust O365 configurations using principles that aren't based on security policies from the 2000's.

        If you don't have both of these in place, the potential utility of O365 goes way down and the intangible costs of use go way up. I've been in two different organizations that are based in O365. One did not do either a or b, the other does both. Despite being the same software suite, the O365 implementations are vastly different and of two different scales of ease of use as a result. In fact, the former organization implemented O365 so poorly that they wound up at very high risk of breaking a law (if not already doing so) but this is a much bigger topic.

        All this to say there are cases where I'd suggest an O365-based organization should look at external tools that aren't controlled by a centralized IT department.

        Also, even in the second org where O365 runs as well as I'd like it too, I often find myself wishing we used Slack instead. It just has better support and integrations with all our other tools, and it can do some much more interesting things with constructing what I call a "virtual office".

        2 votes
      3. est
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        I haven't used O365 or Teams, but is it possible to invite outsiders to join Teams meetings with ease? I have Zoom several times and non of the outside participants failed to join. The on-board...

        I haven't used O365 or Teams, but is it possible to invite outsiders to join Teams meetings with ease?

        I have Zoom several times and non of the outside participants failed to join. The on-board rate is 100% for me.

    2. Keegan
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      Hangouts or Meets? Or are they the same now? Google has had so many chat apps :(

      Hangouts or Meets? Or are they the same now? Google has had so many chat apps :(

      1 vote
  2. [5]
    stu2b50
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    Am I the only one vaguely optimistic for both parties? I honestly think Zoom is a better master than the shady ass cryptocurrency that fueled Keybase prior. Zoom wants security expertise, as they...

    Am I the only one vaguely optimistic for both parties? I honestly think Zoom is a better master than the shady ass cryptocurrency that fueled Keybase prior.

    Zoom wants security expertise, as they are suddenly thrust from B2B conferencing software to virtual happy hour provider, Keybase needs an actual legitimate way to pay the bills, what a great union. It's definitely possible the Keybase product will be deprecated, but I do suspect that much of its features will be adapted into Zoom's client.

    Including the public key store and all the other features of Keybase. Zoom wants to reform its image, especially to other businesses.

    2 votes
    1. [3]
      Bauke
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      Do you have any clarification on this? I'm by no means a cryptocurrency person but all I've heard and read about Stellar hasn't given me the impression of them being shady. They seem to be pretty...

      shady ass cryptocurrency that fueled Keybase prior

      Do you have any clarification on this? I'm by no means a cryptocurrency person but all I've heard and read about Stellar hasn't given me the impression of them being shady. They seem to be pretty open about what they're doing and trying to achieve.

      And I must have missed it or just don't remember, but I don't think Keybase was paid to integrate with Stellar?

      1 vote
    2. freddy
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      At this point it's hard to tell. My only concern is how unspecific they were about Zoom's plans. It'll be interesting to see how this pans out in the long run.

      At this point it's hard to tell. My only concern is how unspecific they were about Zoom's plans.

      Ultimately Keybase's future is in Zoom's hands

      It'll be interesting to see how this pans out in the long run.

      1 vote