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A tower on Billionaires' Row in New York City is full of cracks. Who's to blame?

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  1. Papavk
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    A building lauded as an architectural marvel is not everything it was claimed to be. This sounds reminiscent of the Aon Center in Chicago which was originally clad in Carrera Marble that was soon...

    A building lauded as an architectural marvel is not everything it was claimed to be.

    The exterior of the building, which opened in 2015, is pockmarked and gouged, riddled with hundreds of cracks that suggest the slender structure is being overtaxed by wind and rain, according to independent engineering experts, construction reports and court filings. If the problems are not addressed, probably with a nine-figure renovation, the building could eventually become uninhabitable or endanger pedestrians below, the engineers said.

    This sounds reminiscent of the Aon Center in Chicago which was originally clad in Carrera Marble that was soon discovered to be cracking and falling off and was eventually fully replaced.

    14 votes
  2. carsonc
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    I couldn't help thinking about the Tower of Babylon story from the Tildes Book Club. There is a glorious spot of schadenfreude in reading about how a newspaper article about how a billionaire's...

    I couldn't help thinking about the Tower of Babylon story from the Tildes Book Club. There is a glorious spot of schadenfreude in reading about how a newspaper article about how a billionaire's bathroom door doesn't fully close or how their rug got wet this one time. What's amazing to me is that, as far as I can tell, even when the whole multi-billion dollar misadventure ends in fiasco, everyone involved is so wealthy that they will pretty much just skate with no consequences beyond the fact that some of their favorite numbers will get a little smaller.

    14 votes
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    tanglisha
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    Reminds me of the casino hotels built in the Louisiana bayou in the 90s. They have to be on the riverbank because only casino boats are legal. Local lore had one of the hotels sinking about a foot...

    Reminds me of the casino hotels built in the Louisiana bayou in the 90s. They have to be on the riverbank because only casino boats are legal. Local lore had one of the hotels sinking about a foot per year, something pretty easy to believe for a 25 story building in the middle of a bayou/swamp.

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      cfabbro
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      Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.

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    tanglisha
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    This really rubs me the wrong way. How about, “How did this happen?” or, “What happens now?” Blame rarely leads to improvements. … Seriously? If that’s an attempt to humanize this, it failed. The...

    Who’s to Blame?

    This really rubs me the wrong way. How about, “How did this happen?” or, “What happens now?”

    Blame rarely leads to improvements.

    But its success has been marred by infighting among its wealthy residents, who cannot agree on how to solve the building’s growing list of problems without hurting property values.

    This summer, Mr. Macklowe tried to sell his three units in the building. He had to drop his plan, because he had defaulted on the loans used to buy them.

    Seriously? If that’s an attempt to humanize this, it failed. The technical details in the article are interesting without digging into rich people problems.

    For the tower at 432 Park, the two men collaborated on a grid-like facade that drew inspiration from the understated elegance of a trash can designed by the influential Austrian designer Josef Hoffmann

    Mission accomplished, I guess.

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    1. CannibalisticApple
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      You know what they say about one man's trash(can)... I'll just see myself out

      You know what they say about one man's trash(can)... I'll just see myself out

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    2. chocobean
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      I thought surely they were joking about the trashcan. Granted, that's a pretty can. But yikes for a building

      I thought surely they were joking about the trashcan. Granted, that's a pretty can. But yikes for a building

      3 votes
  5. chocobean
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    Hilarious Materials that would make the building strong is too gray, no we want to use a mix that weakens it. No you can't just coat it white because it'll be glossy, I want matte. (Sounds like a...

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    Materials that would make the building strong is too gray, no we want to use a mix that weakens it. No you can't just coat it white because it'll be glossy, I want matte. (Sounds like a skyscraper version of the American Psycho business card conversion)

    Instead, Mr. Macklowe suggested workers apply a clear-coat finish similar to the product used to patch the yacht he raced in European regattas.

    Because materials for a boat in the water maybe 5 storeys tall is exactly as suitable as for a skyscraper in the wind.

    (After their separation, Mr. Macklowe posted billboard-sized images of himself and his new partner on the exterior of the 432 Park complex.)

    Sounds like a small man.

    New York requires the facades of about 17,000 buildings taller than six stories to be inspected every five years.

    But rather than directly performing the inspections, the city requires the work to be done by third-party contractors hired by the buildings’ owners.

    ??????? Wouldn't there be some conflict of interest here?

    Department officials reviewed the report [from 2022], which found unsafe conditions, some deemed “immediately hazardous,”

    Yeah .....

    Once upon a time, I lived in an older condo, and being part of the AGM trying to secure votes to fix the leaky roof was such a headache I never want to own a condo again. There were folks who were on fixed income who can't afford a special assessment (probably not applicable here); folks who want to downplay any serious issues because they're desperate to sell; folks who see that repair needs to happen but don't trust contractors and accuse the board of kickbacks; folks who only vote based on the skin colour of whoever is making that proposal; folks who bought and rent out and live overseas who don't show up and don't really care. This story sounds like mine, on white concrete steroids.

    6 votes