A fun, short read about chickens. People think of them like meat robots, but they are intelligent and inquisitive animals. Sorry for the bad tags and if this is the wrong group.
A fun, short read about chickens. People think of them like meat robots, but they are intelligent and inquisitive animals.
Sorry for the bad tags and if this is the wrong group.
Awwww, fluffy animal babies are super cute, especially when they follow you everywhere. Chickens are very nice and clean birds. They like toys, they have preferences, and if there is plenty of...
They followed me everywhere, first cheeping like the tinkling of little bells, then clucking in animated adult discussion.
Awwww, fluffy animal babies are super cute, especially when they follow you everywhere.
Chickens are very nice and clean birds. They like toys, they have preferences, and if there is plenty of room and resources they don't fight or hurt each other. Much of the awfulness and insane behavior described in mass factories is a result of the inhumane conditions, not of the animals.
Personally I think all regularly eaten animals have their own intelligence and are all nice clean animals. Pigs are smart. Cows are affectionate. Even fish have their own little worlds and are very much aware of pain and are brilliantly alive.
I have a very fond memory of picking up one of my goslings with cupped hands, and gently floating her to wherever there are mosquitos hanging on the inside of the sun tent. She ate a lot of little bugs as a Gosling because she was so small and delayed as a runt. Now she's my most delightfully rotund girl.
My consumption of meat continues to decline but is not yet at zero . It's not guilt that will take me the rest of the way there, though, it's going to be actual enjoyment of vegetation options, I think.
And that's already more than most people - and it does prevent a lot of suffering, environmental damage, and more. :) We have more in common with most animals, especially mammals, than we think. I...
My consumption of meat continues to decline but is not yet at zero . It's not guilt that will take me the rest of the way there, though, it's going to be actual enjoyment of vegetation options, I think.
And that's already more than most people - and it does prevent a lot of suffering, environmental damage, and more. :)
Personally I think all regularly eaten animals have their own intelligence and are all nice clean animals. Pigs are smart. Cows are affectionate. Even fish have their own little worlds and are very much aware of pain and are brilliantly alive.
We have more in common with most animals, especially mammals, than we think. I can get why we think we're so special - in fact when we've gone to space it's difficult to argue against it - but it's still sad that we often put ourselves 'above' animals in terms of emotional experience especially. :|
Tbh my "problem" in increasing my understanding of animal consciousness is that it solidifies the morality of eating animals to me. I do keep poking at it because it feels like maybe I should feel...
Tbh my "problem" in increasing my understanding of animal consciousness is that it solidifies the morality of eating animals to me. I do keep poking at it because it feels like maybe I should feel different but I don't. We're omnivorous mammals, and it doesn't require elevating humans to engage with the world in that way.
Idk it's one of those things I feel like as empathetic and morally driven as I am should be different but it isn't.
I think in that sense, we're also like animals in a way. Cats are carnivores but that hasn't stopped a mama cat from adopting hedgehogs. I used to have a video of this one where it's pretty clear...
Right, our ability and inclination to bond with nearly anything may be the butt of a lot of Tumblr "wtf why are humans like this" flash fiction style comments but it's fairly true. I'm under no...
Right, our ability and inclination to bond with nearly anything may be the butt of a lot of Tumblr "wtf why are humans like this" flash fiction style comments but it's fairly true. I'm under no illusions that my cats would have merc'd me by now, even if just by accident, had they had the size. But also I will want to pet the tiger because it's friend-shaped. (I won't, because it's unethical but I will want to).
I don’t understand how learning that animals are intelligent makes you more OK with their suffering, though I can understand the indifference from my own history. A much more effective narrative,...
I don’t understand how learning that animals are intelligent makes you more OK with their suffering, though I can understand the indifference from my own history.
A much more effective narrative, in my opinion, is the scale of negative effects that the meat industry causes. Even if just looking at mammals, (livestock eclipses both human and wildlife)[https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass] when adjusting for biomass. They are more likely than not to be held in extremely dense CAFOs where they might not even have the space to turn around and are incredibly likely to be become sick, which is why they are often fed antibiotics as a preventative measure (which has its own share of negative side-effects). These organizations are run by giant corporations who also aid directly in human suffering by way of extremely low wages and dangerous working conditions and in some cases do not provide workers with adequate safety equipment like cut-proof gloves, which is extremely important when working with raw meat.
And that’s just the quick overview lacking a lot of really sickening details. I haven’t even got into the environmental impact yet.
But, hey, I don’t expect everyone to go vegan. If you’re already minimizing your use of animal products you’re doing a much better job than most people in society.
I didn't say I was more ok with their suffering. For me, not separating humanity out from animals makes me more comfortable with our role in the food web as animals ourselves. Less indifference,...
I didn't say I was more ok with their suffering. For me, not separating humanity out from animals makes me more comfortable with our role in the food web as animals ourselves. Less indifference, more finding us part of our environment rather than apart from it.
I'm quite aware of the problems with our current system, I'm simply talking about the morality of eating other animals as a human. Not the specifics of factory farming. I'm honestly not interested in it or the environmental impact here because it's not relevant to my thoughts on the overarching morality in concept.
Anyway, I'm not actively changing my habits, I just find my opinion to be shored up.
Personally it didn't really help me from a morality stand point either: they're tasty and I like tasty meat, sorry but not really. So I don't like to think of it as right vs wrong: I super enjoy...
Personally it didn't really help me from a morality stand point either: they're tasty and I like tasty meat, sorry but not really. So I don't like to think of it as right vs wrong: I super enjoy and appreciate animals as both animated beings and as food.
For me, I find it more helpful to think in terms of broadening my culinary horizons, or more appreciation for other traditions and cultures that predominantly ate plants, or a silent (part time) protest against the industries / consumerism. The last one resembles right vs wrong but for me it's a longer kind of "diversify" my options so I'm not totally screwed if they jack up prices suddenly or some shortage comes. More like if I were playing a video game I would try to maximize back up avenues sort of thing.
I don't really, I wonder if I should feel different and even acknowledge that my opinions could change in the future but I don't really want to Pascal's wager my way into veganism. I got a blink...
I don't really, I wonder if I should feel different and even acknowledge that my opinions could change in the future but I don't really want to Pascal's wager my way into veganism.
I got a blink and you'll miss it reply that was much... Harsher, in its opinion so I appreciate the kind words
A fun, short read about chickens. People think of them like meat robots, but they are intelligent and inquisitive animals.
Sorry for the bad tags and if this is the wrong group.
Awwww, fluffy animal babies are super cute, especially when they follow you everywhere.
Chickens are very nice and clean birds. They like toys, they have preferences, and if there is plenty of room and resources they don't fight or hurt each other. Much of the awfulness and insane behavior described in mass factories is a result of the inhumane conditions, not of the animals.
Personally I think all regularly eaten animals have their own intelligence and are all nice clean animals. Pigs are smart. Cows are affectionate. Even fish have their own little worlds and are very much aware of pain and are brilliantly alive.
I have a very fond memory of picking up one of my goslings with cupped hands, and gently floating her to wherever there are mosquitos hanging on the inside of the sun tent. She ate a lot of little bugs as a Gosling because she was so small and delayed as a runt. Now she's my most delightfully rotund girl.
My consumption of meat continues to decline but is not yet at zero . It's not guilt that will take me the rest of the way there, though, it's going to be actual enjoyment of vegetation options, I think.
And that's already more than most people - and it does prevent a lot of suffering, environmental damage, and more. :)
We have more in common with most animals, especially mammals, than we think. I can get why we think we're so special - in fact when we've gone to space it's difficult to argue against it - but it's still sad that we often put ourselves 'above' animals in terms of emotional experience especially. :|
Tbh my "problem" in increasing my understanding of animal consciousness is that it solidifies the morality of eating animals to me. I do keep poking at it because it feels like maybe I should feel different but I don't. We're omnivorous mammals, and it doesn't require elevating humans to engage with the world in that way.
Idk it's one of those things I feel like as empathetic and morally driven as I am should be different but it isn't.
I think in that sense, we're also like animals in a way. Cats are carnivores but that hasn't stopped a mama cat from adopting hedgehogs.
I used to have a video of this one where it's pretty clear it's like the cat is their mom but sadly I lost it. 'tis adorable though.
Right, our ability and inclination to bond with nearly anything may be the butt of a lot of Tumblr "wtf why are humans like this" flash fiction style comments but it's fairly true. I'm under no illusions that my cats would have merc'd me by now, even if just by accident, had they had the size. But also I will want to pet the tiger because it's friend-shaped. (I won't, because it's unethical but I will want to).
I don’t understand how learning that animals are intelligent makes you more OK with their suffering, though I can understand the indifference from my own history.
A much more effective narrative, in my opinion, is the scale of negative effects that the meat industry causes. Even if just looking at mammals, (livestock eclipses both human and wildlife)[https://ourworldindata.org/wild-mammals-birds-biomass] when adjusting for biomass. They are more likely than not to be held in extremely dense CAFOs where they might not even have the space to turn around and are incredibly likely to be become sick, which is why they are often fed antibiotics as a preventative measure (which has its own share of negative side-effects). These organizations are run by giant corporations who also aid directly in human suffering by way of extremely low wages and dangerous working conditions and in some cases do not provide workers with adequate safety equipment like cut-proof gloves, which is extremely important when working with raw meat.
And that’s just the quick overview lacking a lot of really sickening details. I haven’t even got into the environmental impact yet.
But, hey, I don’t expect everyone to go vegan. If you’re already minimizing your use of animal products you’re doing a much better job than most people in society.
I didn't say I was more ok with their suffering. For me, not separating humanity out from animals makes me more comfortable with our role in the food web as animals ourselves. Less indifference, more finding us part of our environment rather than apart from it.
I'm quite aware of the problems with our current system, I'm simply talking about the morality of eating other animals as a human. Not the specifics of factory farming. I'm honestly not interested in it or the environmental impact here because it's not relevant to my thoughts on the overarching morality in concept.
Anyway, I'm not actively changing my habits, I just find my opinion to be shored up.
Personally it didn't really help me from a morality stand point either: they're tasty and I like tasty meat, sorry but not really. So I don't like to think of it as right vs wrong: I super enjoy and appreciate animals as both animated beings and as food.
For me, I find it more helpful to think in terms of broadening my culinary horizons, or more appreciation for other traditions and cultures that predominantly ate plants, or a silent (part time) protest against the industries / consumerism. The last one resembles right vs wrong but for me it's a longer kind of "diversify" my options so I'm not totally screwed if they jack up prices suddenly or some shortage comes. More like if I were playing a video game I would try to maximize back up avenues sort of thing.
So I wouldn't feel bad not feeling bad either :)
I don't really, I wonder if I should feel different and even acknowledge that my opinions could change in the future but I don't really want to Pascal's wager my way into veganism.
I got a blink and you'll miss it reply that was much... Harsher, in its opinion so I appreciate the kind words