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Why are religious delusions so common with mental breakdowns?

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  1. kacey
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    Sorry to start my response with some clarifications, but your question -- although totally valid! -- is a little difficult to answer due to some potentially loosely defined terms. First off: what...
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    Sorry to start my response with some clarifications, but your question -- although totally valid! -- is a little difficult to answer due to some potentially loosely defined terms.

    First off: what is a mental breakdown? There's a world of difference between breaking down from learning that you have six months to live, to having a manic episode and waking up naked on the roof of a city bus. I'm going to assume that you're thinking of people suffering from schizophrenic hallucinations.

    Second: are religious delusions common in schizophrenic hallucinations? Apologies for the pedantry, but as a certified armchair scientist, I like to make sure that the questions I'm researching don't assume an answer. Otherwise, it'd be like walking into a news interview with bias: I'm not going to get useful answers out of someone if I ask slanted questions; I'll get the most information out of the conversation if I stick to descriptive questions.

    So the above is to say, I apologize for not answering your question as worded, but I'm instead answering a different one based on what I assume you're asking about 😅: what types of hallucinations are common for people suffering from schizophrenia?

    I found a couple decent looking resources online; first, a review paper: The Cross-Cultural Differences in Symptoms of Schizophrenia: A Systematic Review. As is tradition, I skimmed the abstract and results to find a nice looking pull quote (citations have been removed for brevity, so please look at the article for context!):

    The studies examined in terms of the content of hallucinations seen in schizophrenia show that the content of hallucinations may vary depending on the culture and region. The contents of hallucinations were mostly critical, intimidating, and imperative voices of loved ones, friends, and acquaintances in the United Kingdom and America). In contrast, religious and cultural themes along with family members and hostile voices were found more prevalent in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, suggesting that these parameters influence the content of hallucination. When comparing non-western countries to western countries, cultural themes are the most prominent. For instance, Ghana has more religious themes, whereas India has more playfulness and hostile spiritual interpretations. On the contrary, America has more typical diagnostic criteria interpretation.

    So it doesn't seem like religious themes are universal, and trends change between cultures. That difference in the content of hallucinations also seems to affect whether they're interpreted as positive or negative: sometimes "the voices" aren't destructive, and have even been interpreted as being playful.

    (source Hallucinatory 'voices' shaped by local culture, Stanford anthropologist says)

    Among the Indians in Chennai, more than half (11) heard voices of kin or family members commanding them to do tasks. “They talk as if elder people advising younger people,” one subject said. That contrasts to the Americans, only two of whom heard family members. Also, the Indians heard fewer threatening voices than the Americans – several heard the voices as playful, as manifesting spirits or magic, and even as entertaining. Finally, not as many of them described the voices in terms of a medical or psychiatric problem, as all of the Americans did.

    Note that that study isn't terribly large -- an interview of a couple dozen people should hardly be used to characterize an entire illness -- but imo it's an interesting perspective nonetheless.

    Meta side note: if you could, next time that this is a discussion piece about a topic adjacent to the article linked, could you please link it in your comment instead of in the thread? I'm sure it's not terribly important to anyone else, but I'd appreciate it if links described what they're linking to, since I clicked the CBC article expecting to see a psychology think piece, not another article about car violence. Ever since the Lapu Lapu attack, I've been trying to limit the amount of descriptions of vehicle attacks I run into online.

    No worries if that's too much to ask; just figured I'd say so in case it was easy :)

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  2. chocobean
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    "To be fair" : (1) it's the Bible group that called the authorities, and (2) the Lapu-Lapu festival attacker was not having religious delusions. There was a long period of time when people...

    "To be fair" : (1) it's the Bible group that called the authorities, and (2) the Lapu-Lapu festival attacker was not having religious delusions.

    There was a long period of time when people believed they were made of glass and need cushions otherwise their butts would shatter:

    There are reasons why someone with mental illness in the Middle Ages - or indeed the 17th Century - might manifest glass delusion. That was a time when clear glass was a new material on the scene, seen as magical, alchemical even.

    Why might glass delusion reappear at a time when glass is no longer new? What contemporary psychological resonance might it have?

    Psychoanalyst Adam Phillips argues that the glass delusion has powerful contemporary resonance in a society in which anxieties about fragility, transparency and personal space are pertinent to many people's experience of, and anxieties about, living in the modern world.

    In the 19th Century cement delusions appeared at a time when cement emerged as a new building material, just as common delusions of recent decades include the false belief that the CIA or other security services can download thoughts through micro-transmitters, that people could "read your mind".

    There's also more recent delusions (Vice) like COVID-19, Truman Show, and microchips.

    Some researchers think that delusions come about from the mind trying to understand physical or mental sensations that are confusing—like hearing voices, seeing things, or having cognitive difficulties.

    Humans need to find meaning or explanations for those experiences. A person feels perplexed or confused about what is happening around them, and then “there is a moment of enlightenment,” she said. “They suddenly realize, ‘Oh it’s because I’m being persecuted or watched.’ It takes time to develop a fully systematized delusion and the content is usually based on what gives the person meaning.”

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    gowestyoungman
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    The article sparked a thought I've contemplated before. I've always wondered why religious delusions are so common with people who are having psychotic episodes. I mean, our brains are highly...

    The article sparked a thought I've contemplated before. I've always wondered why religious delusions are so common with people who are having psychotic episodes. I mean, our brains are highly imaginative, we could imagine anything so why is it so often something religious? Why isn't it more common to believe we're flying? Or that we can grow tall as a giant? Why is it quite common during a psychotic break that someone begins to rant about God or Satan or delusions of immense spiritual power?
    Any Psych majors in the room?

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    1. sparksbet
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      Ultimately we are heavily shaped by the societies we grow up in, and that includes how mental health conditions manifest. There has been a lot of documentation about cross-cultural differences...

      Ultimately we are heavily shaped by the societies we grow up in, and that includes how mental health conditions manifest. There has been a lot of documentation about cross-cultural differences existing in hallucinations and delusions iirc. When religion is such a huge and pervasive sociocultural influence, it would be more surprising if religious delusions weren't common.

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      Dr_Amazing
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      I assume because no one believes in dragons or giants, but lots of people actually do believe in angels and demons. If you have giant organizations doing everything they can to convince people...

      I assume because no one believes in dragons or giants, but lots of people actually do believe in angels and demons. If you have giant organizations doing everything they can to convince people this stuff is real, I guess every once in a while it works too well.

      It is kind of funny to picture the Bible group going "look we all belive in Satan and demons, but that guy like REALLY believes in this stuff. We should probably call someone. "

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        gowestyoungman
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        There is a slightly comedic irony in that. And I'm asking partly because of that irony. I'm well acquainted with the 'angels and demons are real' crowd but also very familiar with someone who...

        There is a slightly comedic irony in that. And I'm asking partly because of that irony. I'm well acquainted with the 'angels and demons are real' crowd but also very familiar with someone who started there and moved into hallucinations that had them believing they had become an actual spiritual being.

        So there's a line in the sand for me where I think 'yeah I can see why you believe that' and past that line where I'm like 'oh geez let's tame it down there bud, not every bad thing you've experienced is caused by a demon. And I'm pretty sure you're not an angel.'

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        1. chocobean
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          Line in the sand is different for everyone. Mine is: does it lead to humility. Good acts can puff up and even kindness can lead to pride, but true angels point towards a higher being whereas...

          Line in the sand is different for everyone. Mine is: does it lead to humility. Good acts can puff up and even kindness can lead to pride, but true angels point towards a higher being whereas demons convince us we're The One. If the person is working on themselves and how they can become better, cool. If the person thinks they're so much better than others and how society is going wrong and will soon be sorry, that's a very common delusion, no demons need be involved.

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