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Neonatal nurse Lucy Letby found guilty of seven counts of murder, and seven counts of attempted murder in the UK

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  1. [3]
    DanBC
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    I'm linking this source because the time line is clear and the details are more likely to be correct -- HSJ is a trade magazine and has close links with organisations and the people who work with...

    I'm linking this source because the time line is clear and the details are more likely to be correct -- HSJ is a trade magazine and has close links with organisations and the people who work with them.

    The failures of the numerous organisations to protect patients are shocking.

    There were 22 counts total. She was found not guilty of 2 cases of attempted murder, and the jury couldn't reach a conclusion on 6 other counts of attempted murder.

    In England it's more difficult to convict for attempted murder than it is for murder. If someone is killed the Crown Prosecution Service only need to prove the killer had an intent to cause grievous bodily harm, but for attempted murder they need to prove an intent to kill. https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/homicide-murder-and-manslaughter

    This TwiX link includes a short interview with one of the consultants who had tried to raise concerns: https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1692544161793159300?s=20

    The secretary of state has announced an inquiry. https://www.hsj.co.uk/patient-safety/ministers-order-inquiry-into-letby-murders/7035397.article?storyCode=7035397

    Also, hidden in the detail is that the previous chief executive, who resigned after the chair listened to doctors and confronted the CEO, was suing and has accused the chair of bullying. That employment tribunal case is, presumably, now dead in the water. What's the chief executive going to say -- "Doctors raised concerns about a nurse who has now been convicted of murdering 7 children and attempted murder of more children, but I told them to stop raising concerns, and I made them apologise to this killer nurse, and then the chair took the side of the doctors and bullied me"?

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    1. [2]
      DanBC
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      One of the problems with regulation and oversight of healthcare in the UK is that there's an assumption that it's never someone setting out to cause harm. Language around what happens when...

      One of the problems with regulation and oversight of healthcare in the UK is that there's an assumption that it's never someone setting out to cause harm. Language around what happens when something has gone wrong has recently changed from "wrong" to "unexpected or unintended".

      While these horrific events are rare we always need to be open to the possibility that the healthcare professional intended to hurt someone, and then did so.

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    RustyRedRobot
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    Are there any insights into the "why?" for this case? The who/where/when and how is clear but not the why.

    Are there any insights into the "why?" for this case? The who/where/when and how is clear but not the why.

    7 votes
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      Greg
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      Not yet, from what I’ve been able to see. There was an interesting piece yesterday from the BBC author who’s been covering the trial talking about that same question, but it’s a personal account,...

      Not yet, from what I’ve been able to see. There was an interesting piece yesterday from the BBC author who’s been covering the trial talking about that same question, but it’s a personal account, no factual conclusion.

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      1. AgnesNutter
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        That was grimly fascinating.

        That was grimly fascinating.

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      2. RustyRedRobot
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        That's a really interesting article, seems no one knows the motives at all.

        That's a really interesting article, seems no one knows the motives at all.

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    2. unkz
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      There was an unhinged page of writing found at her home: https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/87217ecabec0f3e941da9e8dc2f5394f5179d82d/0_0_4000_2657/master/4000.jpg?width=700&dpr=2&s=none

      There was an unhinged page of writing found at her home:

      https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/87217ecabec0f3e941da9e8dc2f5394f5179d82d/0_0_4000_2657/master/4000.jpg?width=700&dpr=2&s=none

      A note found in Letby’s home reads “I am evil I did this” and “I killed them on purpose because I’m not good enough”.

  3. unkz
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    More coverage here with details of how many of the murders were carried out. Including injecting air (and bursting their diaphragms), and injecting artificial insulin....

    More coverage here with details of how many of the murders were carried out. Including injecting air (and bursting their diaphragms), and injecting artificial insulin.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2023/aug/18/lucy-letby-verdict-nurse-result-trial-latest-updates

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  4. g33kphr33k
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    It's times like this I wished I had a religion, which had a Hell, which was warmly waiting to torment her soul for eternity. I cannot fathom causing intentional harm to a baby. What is missing...

    It's times like this I wished I had a religion, which had a Hell, which was warmly waiting to torment her soul for eternity.

    I cannot fathom causing intentional harm to a baby. What is missing from her brain?

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