Loosely related… if anyone on Tildes wants to learn Ukrainian, would you please respond here or DM me? If there is some interest, I will organize maybe a regular thread in ~talk or something. (And...
Loosely related… if anyone on Tildes wants to learn Ukrainian, would you please respond here or DM me? If there is some interest, I will organize maybe a regular thread in ~talk or something. (And if anyone here who already speaks Ukrainian wants to help organize, please DM me!)
I was already learning Russian to be able to better understand and communicate with my SO but lately she and her friends have been switching to speaking Ukrainian a lot more, and I feel it's my duty to follow her into that.
I will gift 1 year of Drops (UA WIP) or Duolingo (UA available) to anyone who wants to participate, but only if you actually think you'll follow through on it please. (I won't miss the money, but if you're not going to use it, I'd rather buy them more guns)
Some reasons why you should learn Ukrainian as a westerner:
To better understand Ukrainian culture and the people of Ukraine, be closer to them
To help keep the language alive, in a genocidal war that wants to see it gone
To be better at communicating with Ukrainians, which may help not just during the war but will also greatly help after it's over
Learning new languages is one of the best things you can do to expand your mind and your vision of the world (Seriously - I speak enough of them to attest to this)
If a regular thread will be on ~talk then I can help, Iʼm Ukrainian native. Just for notice that you can ask on StackExchange or find materials on Meta.SE. Ukrainian blogger activities had fell...
If a regular thread will be on ~talk then I can help, Iʼm Ukrainian native.
Ukrainian blogger activities had fell due the war but you still can check manifest (a rating of Ukrainian Youtube channels) and tydyvy (copy of Youtube but kinda cleared to Ukrainian language).
That's awesome, thank you! I was thinking I could post a semi-weekly "What are you learning?" type thread for Ukrainian language which would serve as a tracker for progress and a group discussion...
That's awesome, thank you!
I was thinking I could post a semi-weekly "What are you learning?" type thread for Ukrainian language which would serve as a tracker for progress and a group discussion space, as well as some ideas for where to learn.
It tends to be a lot easier to pick up, say, German for example because you're overwhelmed with options to start learning, original TV content, easy access to native speakers, etc. Much easier for western speakers to pick up. Ukrainian is a lot less accessible in that regard for so many reasons.
Sad but true. Itʼs not my speciality, because Iʼm not a teacher, so itʼs hard to say for me. But Ukrainian linguistics is my hobby, therefore I know some features which can help in learning. So,...
Ukrainian is a lot less accessible
Sad but true.
Would love your opinion on … well, yeah, places to start.
Itʼs not my speciality, because Iʼm not a teacher, so itʼs hard to say for me. But Ukrainian linguistics is my hobby, therefore I know some features which can help in learning. So, Iʼll ask about «places to start».
Well, I hope you're somewhere safe! I probably won't be learning Ukrainian, but I'm curious about music. On YouTube there are some Ukrainian musicians I like who play covers of popular music and...
Well, I hope you're somewhere safe!
I probably won't be learning Ukrainian, but I'm curious about music.
On YouTube there are some Ukrainian musicians I like who play covers of popular music and also traditional folk music, on accordion and bandura. I don't know if it's anything like what other people do.
I see they posted a new video, so maybe they aren't in Ukraine now.
If you like music then you can check for example Твоя підпільна катеринка¹ which is thematic radio-style streams. Due wars, of course, last streams are mostly about dreams, war, heroes etc. I...
If you like music then you can check for example Твоя підпільна катеринка¹ which is thematic radio-style streams. Due wars, of course, last streams are mostly about dreams, war, heroes etc.
accordion and bandura.
I guess you are about B&B. As I know, Eileen is also known among out-Ukraine because of covers for Witcher.
I hope you're somewhere safe!
Thanks. I moved from Kyïv suburban to Ljviv aka the West capital, so for now I am.
Yes, I was thinking of B&B. I suppose there aren't many accordion and bandura bands :-) Here's a question I have about folk music: there's a song I like to play on accordion that I learned as...
Yes, I was thinking of B&B. I suppose there aren't many accordion and bandura bands :-)
Here's a question I have about folk music: there's a song I like to play on accordion that I learned as "Minka," and for some reason I thought it was Russian, but according to Wikipedia it's Ukrainian. Is that right? Is there overlap between Ukrainian and Russian folk songs? Perhaps it's a political question.
Yes, itʼs Ukrainian. Iʼm no pro in this sphere too, but I guess that if yes then only very small parts, because Ukraine was under Russia only 250~300 years which isnʼs so long in history meaning,...
Yes, itʼs Ukrainian.
Is there overlap between Ukrainian and Russian folk songs?
Iʼm no pro in this sphere too, but I guess that if yes then only very small parts, because Ukraine was under Russia only 250~300 years which isnʼs so long in history meaning, for compare Ukraine was under RP + VKL longer. But itʼs just typical thing for Russians (or just other empires): remaking other cultures including Ukrainian, especially during Soviet times. For example, which I know, another famous «Russian» song «Вставай, огромная страна» is just a remake of Ukrainian «Повстань, народе мій». It isnʼt only about songs, another famouse Russian culture — matryoshka — is kinda remake of one Japanese doll which is totally not Slavic culture.
Which one do you prefer of Drops and Duolingo? I've used Duolingo for years now, but when I more recently wanted to learn a bit of Tagalog, I had to give Drops a try. They have very different...
Which one do you prefer of Drops and Duolingo?
I've used Duolingo for years now, but when I more recently wanted to learn a bit of Tagalog, I had to give Drops a try. They have very different approaches to teaching languages, so it may be very individual which approach works best for learners, but for me, I find Duolingo to be both more fun and more educational. In general, I think Drops will more quickly expand one's vocabulary, while Duolingo will more quickly let one get a hang of the grammar.
I like both, and I like using both at the same time, but neither is truly as good as it could be. I found duolingo to kind of be awful at introducing non Roman languages, too. I tried their Greek...
I like both, and I like using both at the same time, but neither is truly as good as it could be. I found duolingo to kind of be awful at introducing non Roman languages, too. I tried their Greek a while back and it wasn’t a good experience (I speak Greek and wanted to improve it).
Drops is really addictive; it’s completely my kind of game. I think it flattens out very quickly in terms of effectiveness, it essentially turns a tourist phrase book into a game but it’s really fun!
Oh and using both also gives you different perspectives on various parts of the vocabulary. Simple example: Both duolingo and drops teach you how to say USA in Russian, but drops favours “USA” whereas duolingo favours “America”.
If you have another recommendation for an app I’m happy to hear it and offer the same incentive.
Loosely related… if anyone on Tildes wants to learn Ukrainian, would you please respond here or DM me? If there is some interest, I will organize maybe a regular thread in ~talk or something. (And if anyone here who already speaks Ukrainian wants to help organize, please DM me!)
I was already learning Russian to be able to better understand and communicate with my SO but lately she and her friends have been switching to speaking Ukrainian a lot more, and I feel it's my duty to follow her into that.
I will gift 1 year of Drops (UA WIP) or Duolingo (UA available) to anyone who wants to participate, but only if you actually think you'll follow through on it please. (I won't miss the money, but if you're not going to use it, I'd rather buy them more guns)
Some reasons why you should learn Ukrainian as a westerner:
Слава Україні
If a regular thread will be on ~talk then I can help, Iʼm Ukrainian native.
Just for notice that you can ask on StackExchange or find materials on Meta.SE.
Ukrainian blogger activities had fell due the war but you still can check manifest (a rating of Ukrainian Youtube channels) and tydyvy (copy of Youtube but kinda cleared to Ukrainian language).
That's awesome, thank you!
I was thinking I could post a semi-weekly "What are you learning?" type thread for Ukrainian language which would serve as a tracker for progress and a group discussion space, as well as some ideas for where to learn.
It tends to be a lot easier to pick up, say, German for example because you're overwhelmed with options to start learning, original TV content, easy access to native speakers, etc. Much easier for western speakers to pick up. Ukrainian is a lot less accessible in that regard for so many reasons.
A friend of mine recommended Preply for tutoring: https://preply.com/en/online/ukrainian-tutors -- I have no idea whether that'll work; might give it a try.
Would love your opinion on … well, yeah, places to start.
Sad but true.
Itʼs not my speciality, because Iʼm not a teacher, so itʼs hard to say for me. But Ukrainian linguistics is my hobby, therefore I know some features which can help in learning. So, Iʼll ask about «places to start».
Well, I hope you're somewhere safe!
I probably won't be learning Ukrainian, but I'm curious about music.
On YouTube there are some Ukrainian musicians I like who play covers of popular music and also traditional folk music, on accordion and bandura. I don't know if it's anything like what other people do.
I see they posted a new video, so maybe they aren't in Ukraine now.
If you like music then you can check for example Твоя підпільна катеринка¹ which is thematic radio-style streams. Due wars, of course, last streams are mostly about dreams, war, heroes etc.
I guess you are about B&B. As I know, Eileen is also known among out-Ukraine because of covers for Witcher.
Thanks. I moved from Kyïv suburban to Ljviv aka the West capital, so for now I am.
¹ Literally «Your Underground Barrel-organ».
Yes, I was thinking of B&B. I suppose there aren't many accordion and bandura bands :-)
Here's a question I have about folk music: there's a song I like to play on accordion that I learned as "Minka," and for some reason I thought it was Russian, but according to Wikipedia it's Ukrainian. Is that right? Is there overlap between Ukrainian and Russian folk songs? Perhaps it's a political question.
Yes, itʼs Ukrainian.
Iʼm no pro in this sphere too, but I guess that if yes then only very small parts, because Ukraine was under Russia only 250~300 years which isnʼs so long in history meaning, for compare Ukraine was under RP + VKL longer. But itʼs just typical thing for Russians (or just other empires): remaking other cultures including Ukrainian, especially during Soviet times. For example, which I know, another famous «Russian» song «Вставай, огромная страна» is just a remake of Ukrainian «Повстань, народе мій». It isnʼt only about songs, another famouse Russian culture — matryoshka — is kinda remake of one Japanese doll which is totally not Slavic culture.
Which one do you prefer of Drops and Duolingo?
I've used Duolingo for years now, but when I more recently wanted to learn a bit of Tagalog, I had to give Drops a try. They have very different approaches to teaching languages, so it may be very individual which approach works best for learners, but for me, I find Duolingo to be both more fun and more educational. In general, I think Drops will more quickly expand one's vocabulary, while Duolingo will more quickly let one get a hang of the grammar.
I like both, and I like using both at the same time, but neither is truly as good as it could be. I found duolingo to kind of be awful at introducing non Roman languages, too. I tried their Greek a while back and it wasn’t a good experience (I speak Greek and wanted to improve it).
Drops is really addictive; it’s completely my kind of game. I think it flattens out very quickly in terms of effectiveness, it essentially turns a tourist phrase book into a game but it’s really fun!
Oh and using both also gives you different perspectives on various parts of the vocabulary. Simple example: Both duolingo and drops teach you how to say USA in Russian, but drops favours “USA” whereas duolingo favours “America”.
If you have another recommendation for an app I’m happy to hear it and offer the same incentive.
I'd definitely be interested in learning Ukrainian, so if there's a group or something for check ins, let me know!