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A documentary on the Men's Rights movement
The recent post on why men are ignoring help and falling behind made me think of this documentary. Don't know who here might be interested, but it's certainly a lot to think about.
There's a documentary exploring the Mens Rights movement. It's far from perfect, but I think it definitely has some good points. Firstly, I'd recommend watching Cassie Jaye's (the creator of the doc) TEDx Talk about open-mindedness and listening (~15 Mins): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WMuzhQXJoY
Then there's the documentary itself (~2 hours): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7MkSpJk5tM
Cassie Jaye has posted a lot of the unedited and full interviews to her channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7HeX2SUI9v84DMIawkSBzLRANIc9RQ7t
Counterpoint and warning from The Village Voice:
Warning: You Can’t Unsee ‘The Red Pill,’ the Documentary About a Filmmaker Who Learns to Love MRAs
Also worth reading is the We Hunted the Mammoth article exposing just how absolutely disgusting Paul Elam is, the A Voice for Men founder who was featured in the documentary, and how horrible his Register-Her site was (which thankfully shut down in 2014, but much of the damage was likely already done to the women it targeted).
Register-Her was a Fake “Offenders Registry” Run By Misogynists, Designed to Vilify and Intimidate Women
Which featured some more choice quotes from Elam:
TL;DR - Be wary of falling down this particular rabbit hole. The grievances of many MRAs, MGTOW and Manosphere members may seem totally reasonable on the surface, especially when they're in front of a camera or trying to recruit others to their cause... but there is often a very deep well of misogyny and violent hatred towards feminists that lies beneath their motivations/actions, which they may eventually try to drag you into. See also: GamerGate
Damn, thank you for posting this.
My pleasure. I have a particular passion for keeping track of the various alt-right movements after GamerGate partially suckered me into it. Thankfully, I didn't fall too far down that rabbit hole, and never did anything I regret before I finally managed to see how misogynistic the movement and its proponents truly were... but it's something I still feel deeply ashamed of for ever having taken at face value, and so I want to help prevent others from falling for similarly hateful shit, if I can.
I hear that. I think the earlier online specific alt-right content was new and a little easier to fall prey too. I remember being suggested Prager U stuff and taking quite a few videos before realizing there was a common, disturbing thread. Genuinely thought it was a University's online portal before doing research. Like you, I prod a little deeper now.
This seems like a good disclaimer when it comes to touchy subjects generally. I've seen the same signs in Qanon. Thank you for posting this.
It’s a shame she chose such toxic examples for her protagonists, because some of her other points are striking: men, especially men who ate not wildly successful,really do suffer a bias in family courts. Men are more often victims of non-sexual domestic violence, but have zero resources, a lot of cultural stigma, and a bias in courts. The woman in london in the documentary is real, and the issues she raises are real.
See also established feminist personalities and institutions rejection of non-binary issues.
It's funny how they almost get the point that we men are also affected by the patriarchy but then discharge all their rage and discomfort over women.