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Status, class, and the crisis of expertise

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  1. Gaywallet
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    While I appreciate someone willing to touch on some of the issues of elitism and populism, much of this article reads through the clear lens of the author. The author assumes much about human...
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    While I appreciate someone willing to touch on some of the issues of elitism and populism, much of this article reads through the clear lens of the author. The author assumes much about human behavior, because this is how they interpret or how they feel about many of the issues. Or perhaps it is how they imagine someone who isn't them interprets it. It's quite clear that much of this is jumping to conclusions - the first clear sign of this is imagining that humans would resemble homo economicus if we were "solitary animals". This is an absurd proposition - homo economicus is a fictional idea based on purely logical reasoning with a capacity for infinite and perfect thought. Even solitary animals do not act this way. Most of homo economicus's futility has been disproven by behavioral economics, a field driven by an understanding of psyche, or how humans and many animals react given the environment of nature and an optimization for survival and reproduction on this planet. Many behaviors which disprove homo economicus are inherently selfish rather than cooperative.

    But even if we ignore the odd choice to bring up homo economicus and juxtaposing it against humanity and being social in an in incorrect way, the author continues to jump to odd conclusions throughout the article. Acts of charity are described through the lens of "reputation and honor" and acts are solely selfish and designed to advertise one's "superiority". This is flawed, narcissistic thinking. Even animals have an innate sense of fairness which can be described with a much simpler concept which the author already mentioned but failed to tie to their central thesis - it's entirely driven by the evolutionary pressures of being a social animal. It turns out that social animals naturally exhibit behavior which is socially beneficial, or to state it otherwise, behavior which benefits the many is preferential to that which benefits the individual.

    The framing of social behavior as inherently selfish is an incorrect one, and one which behavioral sciences has proven is incorrect time and time again. On average, humans and other social animals almost always exhibit behavior which benefits the many over the few. Yes, there are individuals who game the system, something which should be unsurprising to anyone even mildly familiar with the concept of evolution, but they are the exception not the norm. Unfortunately the author, like many others, has been mislead by a popular theoretical idea that humans are inherently narcissistic at their core, despite it being a rare personality trait. While I've never seen a paper or musings on this idea, I suspect this idea mostly comes from a number of prominent philosophers who've proposed such an idea, perhaps a reflection of their own mental state or a focus on a particular problem they have observed in human behavior (attention to problematic outliers, so to speak).

    With all that being said I do think there are many nuggets of truth and conclusions which have been jumped to which are more than likely at least partially true or contributing factors to a more muddled and complicated reality. I do think that the concept of prestige being something you can fight, or the desire and need to feel informed and correct about one's worldview are both important in the current political environment. Being "woke" has absolutely become an attack the right uses on the left, and an aversion to status meaning something being displayed by the working class is hardly a new thing. However, I don't think you can tie this neatly to the current democratic party, as workers movements in the early 1900s (arguably revolts by the peasantry going back through the middle ages as well) also displayed markedly similar viewpoints of class and status, a reflection of discontent with a ruling party which was treating them unfairly. This is a clear reflection, however, on how social animals can recognize and reject unfair treatment in a social context, and not a reflection on how the democratic party has conducted themselves or some new concept of class status emerging - the explanation is much more simply rooted in animal behavior. But even if the root cause is simple, untangling it from the complexity of our current environment and notably the social circles that we run in, is much more complicated.

    Something the author fails to touch upon, is social signaling and social values. An inextricable part of this particular problem lies within how social groups signal who they are, what they value (what grants you a high or low status), and what can cause one to be included or excluded. Social norms directly drive social values through the inclusion or exclusion of individuals based on their signaled or displayed values. In the social sciences there is the idea of a "tipping point" in social dynamics, or a point at which holding a particular value will start to exclude you from social bubbles, which rapidly leads to the adoption of a new social dynamic. A common example of this is the fight for rights by various minorities - there was a point at which being racist was socially acceptable, however, once it was not acceptable in enough groups, social dynamics change quickly and people adopt a new stance in order to maintain their existing social connections. With the hyper-polarization being driven today by algorithmic platforms optimized on engagement, I suspect these social norms have rapidly diverged among groups of individuals and is behind some of this seemingly giant divide between the left and the right's social dynamics. I believe the issue is simultaneously one of social inclusion and exclusion - that there is no way to bridge the gap anymore or for folks to walk simultaneously between several social groups because so many of them have diverged so far from each other.

    All of this is crucially important to the idea presented near the end of the article, that one cannot "fact-check your way out of status competition". I think this is both a true and misleading statement. The author is correct to point out that status in the subgroup of populism they highlight does not value fact-checking and doing so will not win you status in that group (I also think that it's important to note that there are many progressive populists, they just do not happen to currently be in power in this corrupt system of governance in the united states). I once again, however, think it is shortsighted to think that it is the fact-checking itself that is at the heart of the issue. It is possible to appeal to the values that they hold while simultaneously seeking solutions which are "fact-checked" - that is merely an issue of framing and understanding social dynamics. It is also entirely possible to move the values of an entire group's values this way, it just takes a long time and a lot of effort and sometimes a modicum of luck. I think it's kind of ironic that the author then backs this up by saying that "Institutions dominated by a single social class and political tribe will inevitably face resistance and backlash in broader society, regardless of their technical competence." despite the very group they are referring to attempting to re-dominate institutions with a single social class and political tribe. They are correct that diversity is important, and crucially important when it comes to moving social dynamics across groups (the only way for a pressure to cross groups, such as in the case of racial dynamics is for the social groups to have individuals who simultaneously exist in more than one social group), but they are failing to recognize that the modern online environment has given individuals the ability to stop existing in social groups they used to have to deal with and withdraw into online echo chambers or find like-minded individuals despite their scarcity in a world which allows finding and connecting with similar people in a way unprecedented in history.

    In short, I don't think there's such a nice clear answer to our problems that can be summed up by saying "stop acting elitist" or whatever. The dynamics are much more complex, and the author is distilling complicated social dynamics down through a lens of selfishness which, while convenient, misses the larger picture. Social dynamics are much more complex, and involve many individuals who aren't acting out of selfishness on all sides. Economic pressures are forcing more folks into selfish views, tech companies drive for engagement has rapidly hyper-polarized social norms and applied new difficult to understand and deal with social pressures (which may warrant an entirely new model of social dynamics), individuals communities are shrinking and disappearing (accelerated by the loss of third spaces), and a number of other complicated changing social dynamics have all lead to our current crises. This problem is much more vast than the author wishes to grapple with or has considered.

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    That's really depressing. The poor and ignorant need to feel like they're smart and successful, or they'll tear everything down to prove how important they are? I hope someone smarter than me can...

    That's really depressing. The poor and ignorant need to feel like they're smart and successful, or they'll tear everything down to prove how important they are? I hope someone smarter than me can figure that one out, because I just feel rage and exhaustion thinking about it.

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    1. infpossibilityspace
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      It's not that the undereducated need to feel smart. They stigmatise against being an expert and offering knowledge because the people receiving it believe there is something humiliating about not...

      It's not that the undereducated need to feel smart. They stigmatise against being an expert and offering knowledge because the people receiving it believe there is something humiliating about not knowing.

      The underlying cause is complex and the article touches many of them - experts having a sense of elitism (real or perceived), or ulterior motives for sharing knowledge (again, real or perceived) etc.

      It's also a never ending battle because we are all born not knowing anything, kids even chastise each other for being too smart (at least they did when I was young).

      It's a cultural issue of how we treat knowledgeable people who want to honestly improve things, some parents don't even respect/trust the teachers trying to teach their own kids.

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    2. Aerrol
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      I really dislike this author's writing style - it's pedantic, belabours the point, and doesn't present anything particularly interesting or novel as a solution when you finally get to the end. "We...

      I really dislike this author's writing style - it's pedantic, belabours the point, and doesn't present anything particularly interesting or novel as a solution when you finally get to the end. "We need to improve our institutions to be less biased and more accurate!" Wow. You don't say...

      That said, the core idea of status and resentment driving anti intellectualism is an important one I've seen presented better elsewhere. To offer something more optimistic to you as a response:

      I think the solution is to reform our side of the table in more targeted ways. Get rid of the clearly complicit and/or incompetent Democratic old guard. Run for office ourselves. Push for accountability in budgets and planning. Get actual results so that expertise is seen again as actually helping people, not just talking down to them. And you know what? As hard of a task as this is, I think we're starting to actually see this happen. Mamdani winning the primary and hopefully the election in NYC is a great example.

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    3. skybrian
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      The essay doesn't provide evidence for its claims, though. Reading Dostoevsky can help us imagine things that might happen, but it's not reporting and it doesn't tell us what actually is...

      The essay doesn't provide evidence for its claims, though. Reading Dostoevsky can help us imagine things that might happen, but it's not reporting and it doesn't tell us what actually is happening.

      (I think it's more common that people do take the money.)

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    4. rodrigo
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      This reading is an oversimplification of the argument.

      This reading is an oversimplification of the argument.

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  3. snake_case
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    Somewhere along the line the Democratic party decided that being ‘woke’ was something that signaled being part of a higher class. I imagine this made the racist country bumpkins upset, because...

    Somewhere along the line the Democratic party decided that being ‘woke’ was something that signaled being part of a higher class.

    I imagine this made the racist country bumpkins upset, because historically racism was a part of being elite, being better than the others, and then it got flipped.

    When you combine this social hierarchy flip with a total unwillingness to change their racist ideals, it makes total sense why we ended up with a populist president.

    The real kicker is that the democratic party is just as racist, they regularly pass legislation that, at best, simply does not take into account the needs of non-white people. One example, my city specifically had been strongly encouraging the demolition of old section 8 housing to be replaced by new luxury apartments and they justify it with the use of housing vouchers which seems like a great idea on the surface but in reality Ive never met a single person who got kicked out of their section 8 housing and actually managed to “win” a housing voucher. Theres just not enough of them because 10% of the new luxury apartments is not enough to cover the population that was displaced.

    Anyway, my point is that its not SIMPLY that poor people are upset that education has “become” a sign of the upper class, because that has always been true.

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