13 votes

Creating a safer internet with .gay

12 comments

  1. pallas
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    Note that this is being offered by a for-profit company, Top Level Design LLC, in Portland and Beijing, which appears to exist entirely to profit off of what is essentially rent-seeking. What...

    Note that this is being offered by a for-profit company, Top Level Design LLC, in Portland and Beijing, which appears to exist entirely to profit off of what is essentially rent-seeking. What would be the reason to support this but not support the .org commercialization?

    16 votes
  2. teaearlgraycold
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    It's really interesting to see a moderated TLD. I'm sure this will become more popular in the future. Now that gTLDs are here we've moved organizations up one .. We might see fracturing of the...

    It's really interesting to see a moderated TLD. I'm sure this will become more popular in the future. Now that gTLDs are here we've moved organizations up one .. We might see fracturing of the internet domain space into ideological segments. Could we see a .christian, a .liberal, etc.? You better not let anti-Trump posts stay up on your reddit-replacement.conservative else the entire site could be taken offline.

    I want to be clear. I don't think .gay will cause any harm in the domain space. But ICANN has added another layer to the internet that can be controlled be private entities. Given the way the internet has been moving, this will likely get abused.

    12 votes
  3. [3]
    leigh
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    As someone who is LGBTQ but isn't gay, I'm mildly annoyed about equating the two and 🤷♀️ about the whole thing otherwise.

    As someone who is LGBTQ but isn't gay, I'm mildly annoyed about equating the two and 🤷‍♀️ about the whole thing otherwise.

    3 votes
    1. [2]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      That's a good point I hadn't thought of. I see on ICANN's list of top-level domains that the .lgbt domain exists. I wonder who owns it, and what it's being used for.

      That's a good point I hadn't thought of.

      I see on ICANN's list of top-level domains that the .lgbt domain exists. I wonder who owns it, and what it's being used for.

      3 votes
      1. Diff
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        whois lgbt names Afilias Limited as the responsible entity. Seems they have a very similar acceptable use policy for .lgbt domains: Looks like you can pick one up on namecheap, gandi, dynadot, and...

        whois lgbt names Afilias Limited as the responsible entity. Seems they have a very similar acceptable use policy for .lgbt domains:

        Registrants are prohibited from using the .LGBT domain in a manner that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, or hateful with respect to the LGBT community. Domain names that are likely to deceive, disparage or cause a material detriment to the LGBT community are explicitly prohibited (e.g., ihate.lgbt, anti.lgbt, etc.).

        In addition to any other rights of the Registry Operator (“Registry”) existing under the Registry-Registrar Agreement between the Registry and any applicable registrar or otherwise, the Registry reserves the right to deny or cancel the registration, renewal, or transfer of any Registered Name; or to place any Registered Name on registry lock, hold, or similar status, with respect to any such Registered Name that the Registry, upon reasonable belief formed after reasonable investigation, deems to be registered or used in a manner that constitutes a violation of the .LGBT Acceptable Use Policy.

        Looks like you can pick one up on namecheap, gandi, dynadot, and I'm not recognizing any other registrars on this list they got here.

        7 votes
  4. Leonidas
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    This will certainly make for more fun mastodon instance names, if nothing else. I almost assumed something like this already existed, considering the proliferation of non-traditional TLDs like...

    This will certainly make for more fun mastodon instance names, if nothing else. I almost assumed something like this already existed, considering the proliferation of non-traditional TLDs like .social. Now that it does, though, I'm glad it's being treated as an important signifier with quality control, not just another throwaway to cross off the list.

    4 votes
  5. [6]
    Kuromantis
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    I feel like putting something like .gay in your domain would make you a huge target to everyone else who is equally able to do so but time spread hatred instead. What's stopping anyone from making...

    I feel like putting something like .gay in your domain would make you a huge target to everyone else who is equally able to do so but time spread hatred instead. What's stopping anyone from making something like gay.fags to target the .gay domain? What's stopping stormfront or whoever from having race.realism as a domain to target .racialminorities when it pops up?

    1 vote
    1. [5]
      Algernon_Asimov
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      Sure. But the same applies to URLs like www.reddit.com/r/gay and tildes.net/~lgbt. Anywhere you put "gay" or "lgbt" or similar terms, you become a target. It's unavoidable on this internet. That...

      I feel like putting something like .gay in your domain would make you a huge target to everyone else

      Sure. But the same applies to URLs like www.reddit.com/r/gay and tildes.net/~lgbt. Anywhere you put "gay" or "lgbt" or similar terms, you become a target. It's unavoidable on this internet.

      That doesn't mean we shouldn't create those spaces; it means we should protect them.

      What's stopping anyone from making something like gay.fags to target the .gay domain?

      This implies there could be a .fags top-level domain available. I'm not sure that ICANN would create or release such a domain. According to their current list of domains, .fags and .fag and .faggot are not listed. I doubt they ever will be, just like I doubt there'll ever be a top-level domain called .nigger or .kike. It's safe to assume that ICANN won't create top-level domains based on offensive words.

      And, even if gay.fags exists, that's totally separate to any website on the .gay top-level domain. It would have about as much connection as www.reddit.com has to tildes.net - none at all.

      What's stopping stormfront or whoever from having race.realism as a domain

      Similarly, this would require ICANN to create a .realism top-level domain, release it to someone, and for that someone to then sell the rights to race.realism. It could be done, but it's unlikely.

      7 votes
      1. [4]
        Kuromantis
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        Oh okay. I thought ICANN was only adding the feature without controlling it.

        Oh okay. I thought ICANN was only adding the feature without controlling it.

        1 vote
        1. [3]
          Algernon_Asimov
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          See below.

          No, they create the top-level domains. They don't allow other people to create top-level domains.

          See below.

          2 votes
          1. [2]
            Deimos
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            You can apply for them (which is what this company would have done to get .gay), but it costs $185,000 just to apply, and then at least $25,000 per year to keep the TLD active. It's definitely not...

            You can apply for them (which is what this company would have done to get .gay), but it costs $185,000 just to apply, and then at least $25,000 per year to keep the TLD active. It's definitely not something people will be doing flippantly for jokes/trolling, even if their application wouldn't be rejected.

            More info about the application process

            6 votes
            1. Algernon_Asimov
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              Oh. I assumed ICANN made them, and then sold them off to the highest bidder. Looking at their attached Applicant Guidebook, it seems ICANN is very neutral about what top-level domains people can...

              Oh. I assumed ICANN made them, and then sold them off to the highest bidder.

              Looking at their attached Applicant Guidebook, it seems ICANN is very neutral about what top-level domains people can apply for. There are very few restrictions. Almost anything goes.

              However, that Applicant Guidebook contains this section:

              3.2.1 Grounds for Objection

              • Limited Public Interest Objection – The applied-for gTLD string is contrary to generally accepted legal norms of morality and public order that are recognized under principles of international law.

              And, in the follow-up sections which expand on lodging objections:

              3.5.3 Limited Public Interest Objection

              The grounds upon which an applied-for gTLD string may be considered contrary to generally accepted legal norms relating to morality and public order that are recognized under principles of international law are:

              • Incitement to or promotion of discrimination based upon race, color, gender, ethnicity, religion or
                national origin, or other similar types of discrimination that violate generally accepted legal norms recognized under principles of international law;

              So, people can object if someone tries to apply for a top-level domain like .fags or any other offensive term, and it's very likely that ICANN's review panel will decline the application on public interest grounds. (However, it's disappointing that the list of discrimination types doesn't explicitly include sexuality.)

              FYI: @Kuromantis

              2 votes