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The US Supreme Court case that could impact the homeless coast-to-coast

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  1. [11]
    vord
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    That's where you're wrong, mayor. All your town needs to do is help provide housing services to the homeless. You can easily provide 200 beds in 100' by 20' room. I'd personally mandate that all...

    "People don't want to hear that San Rafael doesn't have the independent ability to work with our unhoused community," she said.

    That's where you're wrong, mayor. All your town needs to do is help provide housing services to the homeless. You can easily provide 200 beds in 100' by 20' room.

    I'd personally mandate that all churches must offer free housing to the homeless or pay their property taxes. Make them put their money where their morals stand.

    More like "We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas."

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      unkz
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      People will refuse to sleep there (for a variety of good and not so good reasons). I guess though, that would mean there is an alternative and the law wouldn’t apply and they could be arrested?

      200 beds in 100' by 20' room.

      People will refuse to sleep there (for a variety of good and not so good reasons). I guess though, that would mean there is an alternative and the law wouldn’t apply and they could be arrested?

      19 votes
      1. [5]
        vord
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        That is kind of the idea. And at the end of the day, the reasons for refusing to sleep there can be mitigated. Like a proper hotel-room style with locking doors. TBH I'd like to see a flat ban on...

        That is kind of the idea. And at the end of the day, the reasons for refusing to sleep there can be mitigated. Like a proper hotel-room style with locking doors.

        TBH I'd like to see a flat ban on arrests, but using a carrot (providing housing) is always a preferred start.

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        1. boxer_dogs_dance
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          Some homeless people have pets. Many drink or use drugs. Some steal from other homeless or fight. Locking doors are essential

          Some homeless people have pets. Many drink or use drugs. Some steal from other homeless or fight. Locking doors are essential

          14 votes
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          unkz
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          I mean you're no longer going to fit 200 rooms in a 100' x 20' room with walls and locking doors. It also becomes a security nightmare -- and there are going to be assaults, rapes, stabbings, and...

          I mean you're no longer going to fit 200 rooms in a 100' x 20' room with walls and locking doors. It also becomes a security nightmare -- and there are going to be assaults, rapes, stabbings, and all manner of crimes in those rooms.

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            vord
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            Last I heard, existing homeless ecampments weren't murder-rapefests, otherwise there probably wouldn't be many homeless. Is it worse than being on the street? That said, my comment was about how...

            Last I heard, existing homeless ecampments weren't murder-rapefests, otherwise there probably wouldn't be many homeless. Is it worse than being on the street?

            That said, my comment was about how easy it was to prop up literally anything better than criminalizing homelessness, not how to make it perfect. You're right, and 200 beds was almost certainly an overestimate.

            My kid's room is 8' by 10'. Put a bunk bed in a 7'x 8' room, you lose about 4 inches horizontally per room , but thats enough for 2 people in a room with a locking chest per person.

            That's a 4ft+ hallway with 10 rooms on each side. 20-40 people, fairly secure for homeless families to boot.

            A full-sized basketball court could make 2 of these setups.

            If every town > 10,000 people created one of these, homelessness would be a virtual non-issue. My town of 5,000 people has 6 churches which are each large enough to make 3 of these.

            I call out churches because this is their supposed mission, and are happy to feed the homeless but get very squeemish about housing them.

            11 votes
            1. unkz
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              In Vancouver, outdoor encampments are actually murder and rapefests. https://www.readtheline.ca/p/katie-lewis-fights-drugs-and-threats … I would argue for large, open rooms containing beds with...

              In Vancouver, outdoor encampments are actually murder and rapefests.

              https://www.readtheline.ca/p/katie-lewis-fights-drugs-and-threats

              The Oppenheimer camp was a disaster. It was the site of assaults, murder, robbery and sexual assault, including a particularly horrifying example where a woman was held for 15 hours in a tent, raped and tortured. She was burned with cigarettes and all her fingers broken. No one answered her screams. Despite such incidents, the campers argued that they had safety in numbers.

              After stressing that her organization “fully supports and recognizes the importance of the protest at Oppenheimer Park, and people’s right to safe, adequate and affordable housing,” Abbott continued, “Over the past year, women have shared devastating stories about the violence they experience in the park. These include stories of rape, sexual assault, assault, being robbed, threatened, and coerced into doing things they have no interest in doing … We have witnessed women’s injuries including slashings, blunt trauma (e.g. assault with a baseball bat) and other forms of physical assault.”

              I would argue for

              • large, open rooms containing beds with high visibility,
              • adequate police security,
              • secure storage lockers along one wall,
              • and properly ventilated and staffed rooms designated for doing different drugs safely.
              • zero tolerance for violence, direct to jail rather than expulsion
              10 votes
      2. [3]
        sparksbet
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        The article mentions more than once that in the relevant cities, there is insufficient shelter space/shelters are generally full. It stands to reason that providing more shelter space would go a...

        The article mentions more than once that in the relevant cities, there is insufficient shelter space/shelters are generally full. It stands to reason that providing more shelter space would go a long way to mitigate the homelessness problem in these areas. There will always be exceptions, of course, but it's absurd to arrest someone for being homeless when they literally have no other option.

        10 votes
    2. Habituallytired
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      100% all religious places of worship should be paying their fair share of taxes, especially property taxes. I also agree with you that they should be offering housing. Practice what you preach.

      100% all religious places of worship should be paying their fair share of taxes, especially property taxes.

      I also agree with you that they should be offering housing. Practice what you preach.

      9 votes