People always seem to overlook the facts behind these statistics. If 60% of people voted one way, that means that 40% of people voted the other way. 40% is not a negligible amount. 40% is a...
the controversy has been a shock to a city that regards itself as liberal and tolerant. Sixty percent of its votes went to the Democrats running for state governor and US senator in November’s elections.
People always seem to overlook the facts behind these statistics. If 60% of people voted one way, that means that 40% of people voted the other way. 40% is not a negligible amount. 40% is a significant number of people.
Gust said he asked the students to wave and that he was surprised when they raised their arms in a fascist salute.
The most obvious hold-out - Jordan Blue, the boy in the top-right corner, wearing a red bow-tie - did a number of interviews immediately following the release of this photo. He confirmed that the photographer didn't give the boys any specific directions beyond telling them to raise one hand and/or wave. However, there are a variety of different ways to raise your hand. In that context, it's beyond coincidental that so many of the boys chose this particular way to raise their hands. While some of them may have been ignorant of its meaning, and some knew but did it as a joke, some boys knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to do this.
The pastor thinks it is the boys who are owed an apology.
Yeah... nah. We do not owe the boys an apology for judging them for their bad behaviour. Even if they were joking, it was a joke in extremely bad taste, and they need to know that.
Seeing something like this happen in my home state makes me ashamed. They are only kids, but they were 16 and 17 at the time of the picture and should have known better (and some did). I've seen...
Seeing something like this happen in my home state makes me ashamed. They are only kids, but they were 16 and 17 at the time of the picture and should have known better (and some did). I've seen people say they were just waving goodbye, but that doesn't look like a goodbye to me. I've seen them say it was just a joke, well, what's the joke?
No, these kids shouldn't be crucified the rest of their lives for it if they realize what they did was wrong, but they should be shown the gravity of what they've done. @NaraVara says the school should be getting more ire, and I agree. I've seen stories from Baraboo students saying that racial slurs aren't uncommon at the high school. The community as a whole should be getting more ire because an entire high school class of boys threw a Nazi salute, knew what they were doing, and nobody involved cared about it until months later when the internet noticed it. When I was in high school 10 years ago, a house near me flew a Confederate flag and I thought it was creepy, but an outlier. Now I wonder how much of this has been lurking under the radar my entire life.
While I don't agree with him, I would say there is a problem with scapegoating the kids for the racism and deficiencies of the system that raised them. It sounds like the school should be getting...
Their pastor is actually calling for other people to apologize to these damn kids for fucks sake.
While I don't agree with him, I would say there is a problem with scapegoating the kids for the racism and deficiencies of the system that raised them. It sounds like the school should be getting a lot more ire than it is while the focus is being personalized in the kids.
This though:
We were at a community gathering and someone was comparing them to sexual assault victims and Parkland shooter victims. That did not seem right.
No matter how or where they learned this behaviour, these so-called "kids" are old enough to understand what they're doing. They're 16 and 17 years old, which is old enough for them to have legal...
No matter how or where they learned this behaviour, these so-called "kids" are old enough to understand what they're doing. They're 16 and 17 years old, which is old enough for them to have legal and moral culpability for their actions. It's also important to note that some of their peers were able to decide to not do this thing.
We in Australia recently had a nation-wide protest by students of this age and younger against the federal government's inaction on climate change. Would you blame "the deficiencies of the system that raised them" for this protest? How do those Baraboo students escape moral culpability for their actions, when their Australian peers take full responsibility for their actions?
People always seem to overlook the facts behind these statistics. If 60% of people voted one way, that means that 40% of people voted the other way. 40% is not a negligible amount. 40% is a significant number of people.
The most obvious hold-out - Jordan Blue, the boy in the top-right corner, wearing a red bow-tie - did a number of interviews immediately following the release of this photo. He confirmed that the photographer didn't give the boys any specific directions beyond telling them to raise one hand and/or wave. However, there are a variety of different ways to raise your hand. In that context, it's beyond coincidental that so many of the boys chose this particular way to raise their hands. While some of them may have been ignorant of its meaning, and some knew but did it as a joke, some boys knew exactly what they were doing and wanted to do this.
Yeah... nah. We do not owe the boys an apology for judging them for their bad behaviour. Even if they were joking, it was a joke in extremely bad taste, and they need to know that.
A Nazi salute should unite a town against the Nazis who tarnished their name.
How did the world get so upside down
Seeing something like this happen in my home state makes me ashamed. They are only kids, but they were 16 and 17 at the time of the picture and should have known better (and some did). I've seen people say they were just waving goodbye, but that doesn't look like a goodbye to me. I've seen them say it was just a joke, well, what's the joke?
No, these kids shouldn't be crucified the rest of their lives for it if they realize what they did was wrong, but they should be shown the gravity of what they've done. @NaraVara says the school should be getting more ire, and I agree. I've seen stories from Baraboo students saying that racial slurs aren't uncommon at the high school. The community as a whole should be getting more ire because an entire high school class of boys threw a Nazi salute, knew what they were doing, and nobody involved cared about it until months later when the internet noticed it. When I was in high school 10 years ago, a house near me flew a Confederate flag and I thought it was creepy, but an outlier. Now I wonder how much of this has been lurking under the radar my entire life.
Slightly OT but the eagle/crest/logo in the hero picture isn't helping the cause.
What's interesting is that before WWII, American's saluted like this during the Pledge of Allegiance.
It was quite a common salute for many countries.
While I don't agree with him, I would say there is a problem with scapegoating the kids for the racism and deficiencies of the system that raised them. It sounds like the school should be getting a lot more ire than it is while the focus is being personalized in the kids.
This though:
Understatement of the Goddamned year Eva!
No matter how or where they learned this behaviour, these so-called "kids" are old enough to understand what they're doing. They're 16 and 17 years old, which is old enough for them to have legal and moral culpability for their actions. It's also important to note that some of their peers were able to decide to not do this thing.
We in Australia recently had a nation-wide protest by students of this age and younger against the federal government's inaction on climate change. Would you blame "the deficiencies of the system that raised them" for this protest? How do those Baraboo students escape moral culpability for their actions, when their Australian peers take full responsibility for their actions?