This is a tough potentially slippery slope, especially for people who are trans. Even now people who want to transition in many countries have to visit doctors first to get permission to change...
This is a tough potentially slippery slope, especially for people who are trans. Even now people who want to transition in many countries have to visit doctors first to get permission to change their body.
I personally think it's odd to want to modify your body to completely remove extremities such as ears, but is that really any different from wanting to remove a penis? If it offers the person some sort of comfort, I don't think it should be outlawed, even if there is some tiny percentage of people who want it done because of an underlying mental condition that if treated might change their mind.
The slope isn't slippery. It's already at the bottom of the valley. Saying that a sober, sane adult doesn't have full control over their own body is a gross violation of humans rights. It...
The slope isn't slippery. It's already at the bottom of the valley. Saying that a sober, sane adult doesn't have full control over their own body is a gross violation of humans rights. It shouldn't have anything to do with trans people, although they are obviously negatively affected by this kind of thinking.
I don't see how anyone could purport to live in a free society but not be allowed to do whatever they want to their own bodies. Furthermore, this exact same line of reasoning could be used to outlaw abortion, force people to take drugs against their will, and your example as well. It's a ridiculous overstep by a government.
Yes, probably. The issue is that there's no such thing. There's no legal way for someone to get extreme body mods. There should be a process for expediting assessments of if someone is able to...
Should people who want extreme body mods have to go through a drug test and a battery of psychological tests to reasonably verify they are of sound mind
Yes, probably. The issue is that there's no such thing. There's no legal way for someone to get extreme body mods. There should be a process for expediting assessments of if someone is able to consent to potentially life altering decisions about their bodies, whether that's abortion, sexual reassignment surgery, cosmetic surgery, or any other type of body modification. It should be quick, not cause undue burden, and not be judgemental. Otherwise, have at it.
Will no plastic surgeons do it? That would honestly surprise me if so... and unlike Tattoo artists and body mod practitioners, at least they are actually trained to practice medicine and licensed...
There's no legal way for someone to get extreme body mods.
Will no plastic surgeons do it? That would honestly surprise me if so... and unlike Tattoo artists and body mod practitioners, at least they are actually trained to practice medicine and licensed to perform surgical procedures.
But to punish people rather than implementing new standards that require certain surgeries to happen at a licensed facility? That ends up being a slippery slope.
But to punish people rather than implementing new standards that require certain surgeries to happen at a licensed facility? That ends up being a slippery slope.
You need to be licensed to perform surgery. I really think it's as simple as that. No one is saying you can't have modifications done, they're saying it needs to be done by someone capable, with...
You need to be licensed to perform surgery. I really think it's as simple as that.
No one is saying you can't have modifications done, they're saying it needs to be done by someone capable, with suitable equipment.
Unfortunately if the process as a whole is illegal there's no one that's considered properly trained or capable (in the legal sense). Though there are certainly people literally more capable that...
done by someone capable, with suitable equipment.
Unfortunately if the process as a whole is illegal there's no one that's considered properly trained or capable (in the legal sense). Though there are certainly people literally more capable that have the experience/tooling.
I wonder where plastic surgeons fall on the spectrum of body modification. They're licensed/trained and essentially do body mods... Though I think their legal justification is that they're meant to help with reconstruction after an accident, but not cosmetic changes.
Why do you think the process as a whole is illegal? The prosecution was clear that they were prosecuting because he wasn't a doctor, not because of the type of mods he was doing.
Why do you think the process as a whole is illegal? The prosecution was clear that they were prosecuting because he wasn't a doctor, not because of the type of mods he was doing.
It's not a slippery slope, because transitioning is a recognised medical procedure that's carried out by qualified registered doctors and HCPs who are working within organisations which are also...
It's not a slippery slope, because transitioning is a recognised medical procedure that's carried out by qualified registered doctors and HCPs who are working within organisations which are also registered and inspected.
Here the problem was not the type of surgery, it was the fact he was practicing medicine without a licence in settings that were not inspected nor regulated.
This is a tough potentially slippery slope, especially for people who are trans. Even now people who want to transition in many countries have to visit doctors first to get permission to change their body.
I personally think it's odd to want to modify your body to completely remove extremities such as ears, but is that really any different from wanting to remove a penis? If it offers the person some sort of comfort, I don't think it should be outlawed, even if there is some tiny percentage of people who want it done because of an underlying mental condition that if treated might change their mind.
The slope isn't slippery. It's already at the bottom of the valley. Saying that a sober, sane adult doesn't have full control over their own body is a gross violation of humans rights. It shouldn't have anything to do with trans people, although they are obviously negatively affected by this kind of thinking.
I don't see how anyone could purport to live in a free society but not be allowed to do whatever they want to their own bodies. Furthermore, this exact same line of reasoning could be used to outlaw abortion, force people to take drugs against their will, and your example as well. It's a ridiculous overstep by a government.
Yes, probably. The issue is that there's no such thing. There's no legal way for someone to get extreme body mods. There should be a process for expediting assessments of if someone is able to consent to potentially life altering decisions about their bodies, whether that's abortion, sexual reassignment surgery, cosmetic surgery, or any other type of body modification. It should be quick, not cause undue burden, and not be judgemental. Otherwise, have at it.
Will no plastic surgeons do it? That would honestly surprise me if so... and unlike Tattoo artists and body mod practitioners, at least they are actually trained to practice medicine and licensed to perform surgical procedures.
No, I don't believe so. I'm not an expert, but I think that those types of mods are in a legal grey area in most countries.
I think this is more about practicing unlicensed surgery without the correct training or equipment.
But to punish people rather than implementing new standards that require certain surgeries to happen at a licensed facility? That ends up being a slippery slope.
You need to be licensed to perform surgery. I really think it's as simple as that.
No one is saying you can't have modifications done, they're saying it needs to be done by someone capable, with suitable equipment.
Unfortunately if the process as a whole is illegal there's no one that's considered properly trained or capable (in the legal sense). Though there are certainly people literally more capable that have the experience/tooling.
I wonder where plastic surgeons fall on the spectrum of body modification. They're licensed/trained and essentially do body mods... Though I think their legal justification is that they're meant to help with reconstruction after an accident, but not cosmetic changes.
Why do you think the process as a whole is illegal? The prosecution was clear that they were prosecuting because he wasn't a doctor, not because of the type of mods he was doing.
It's not a slippery slope, because transitioning is a recognised medical procedure that's carried out by qualified registered doctors and HCPs who are working within organisations which are also registered and inspected.
Here the problem was not the type of surgery, it was the fact he was practicing medicine without a licence in settings that were not inspected nor regulated.