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Make Netflix Remove "DRM"

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    vakieh
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    Is this the sort of thing that should be on Tildes? It has no discussion, the petition itself is a horribly written emotional call that is utterly devoid of substance, let alone evidence, and...
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    Is this the sort of thing that should be on Tildes?

    It has no discussion, the petition itself is a horribly written emotional call that is utterly devoid of substance, let alone evidence, and there's nothing to add to that contained in this post. Besides that the only possible outcome of this is 'lol no'.

    It just feels like zero effort spam.

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    1. Adys
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      Agreed, it's just noise.

      Agreed, it's just noise.

      10 votes
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    Octofox
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    Is there anything in the world more fruitless than a change.org petition?

    Is there anything in the world more fruitless than a change.org petition?

    18 votes
    1. DrewDru
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      Indeed. I once started a petition to make Phoebe Buffay's Smelly Cat the official soundtrack of the new Pet Sematary. Unsurprisingly, it failed.

      Indeed. I once started a petition to make Phoebe Buffay's Smelly Cat the official soundtrack of the new Pet Sematary. Unsurprisingly, it failed.

      2 votes
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      Wes
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      The DRM Netflix uses is called widevine. I'm not familiar with any privacy concerns. Nor can I imagine Netflix being able to obtain rights to most of their shows without assurances offered by a...

      The DRM Netflix uses is called widevine. I'm not familiar with any privacy concerns. Nor can I imagine Netflix being able to obtain rights to most of their shows without assurances offered by a DRM platform.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widevine

      14 votes
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        1. Wes
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          Firefox supports widevine, but it needs to be installed. I believe they automate this process now. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm Other platforms I'm less familiar with. Netflix...

          Firefox supports widevine, but it needs to be installed. I believe they automate this process now.

          https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

          Other platforms I'm less familiar with. Netflix also has a Windows 10 app I'd be curious about.

          4 votes
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      vord
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      All DRM systems, at their core, are essentially a combination of encryption, telemetry, and secrecy from the end user. Encryption is the only way to insure the content protected by DRM can't just...

      destroy[ing] users privacy

      All DRM systems, at their core, are essentially a combination of encryption, telemetry, and secrecy from the end user. Encryption is the only way to insure the content protected by DRM can't just be moved to a non-DRM format. Telemetry ranges from "phoning home periodically" to "reporting back every interaction." Secrecy entails trying to prevent the end user from disrupt the other two.

      Anybody who is familiar with these three underlying concepts should be able to see the problem: It is impossible to display encrypted DRM content without giving user decryption keys. Thus, all DRM systems can and will be broken, given enough time.

      I always just assumed they do it based on your account and whether you're paying or not, which is not exactly invasive.

      Account access is a very different beast from DRM. DRM is a tech which effectively says "we, the providers of this content, continue to dictate what you can and cannot do with this content after rent/purchase." That is why any content that has DRM is never really yours. Steam could revoke every game you own in a heartbeat, Amazon could remove every book in your digital library, so on and so forth.

      8 votes
      1. crdpa
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        Above all that, DRM is useless. How come i can find all netflix shows and movies in torrent?

        Above all that, DRM is useless.

        How come i can find all netflix shows and movies in torrent?

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      EsmailELBoB
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      if Netflix is good why they refused add the free-DRM content ? https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/tell_netflix_nix_drm_original_productions Also, It's Closed Source (It Must Be) So You Not...

      if Netflix is good why they refused add the free-DRM content ?

      When cartoonist and animator Nina Paley asked them to stream her film "Sita Sings the Blues"DRM-free, they told her it wasn't possible with their electronic delivery system. They also refused to allow her to add a notice telling viewers where they could find and download the film.
      In addition to Paley, Aziz Ansari, Jim Gaffigan, and Louis CK all sell DRM-free videos from their own sites. However, Netflix made their Netflix Specials come with DRM. We've been asking ourselves if they really required Netflix to add it in order to make and stream these videos."

      https://www.defectivebydesign.org/blog/tell_netflix_nix_drm_original_productions
      Also, It's Closed Source (It Must Be) So You Not Sure What Inside It!

      1. babypuncher
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        Netflix has no choice but to include a DRM solution in their product if they want to license content from film and television studios. Netflix isn't going to abandon their business model just to...

        Netflix has no choice but to include a DRM solution in their product if they want to license content from film and television studios. Netflix isn't going to abandon their business model just to make a point about the ineffectiveness of DRM. The change needs to happen with the studios, not the company delivering the content.

        From an engineering perspective, it doesn't make practical sense for Netflix to create separate video delivery systems for both DRM and DRM-free content. You're doubling your potential exposure to bugs and the only thing you gain is some quaint virtue signalling.

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    EsmailELBoB
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    I Made A Petition To Make Netflix Remove The “DRM” From Their Shows So Lets All Hope This Will Work & Netflix Remove The “DRM” For Users Privacy.

    I Made A Petition To Make Netflix Remove The “DRM” From Their Shows So Lets All Hope This Will Work & Netflix Remove The “DRM” For Users Privacy.

    1. vord
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      Your heart is in the right place, and I agree on a philosophical level, but unfortunately, DRM is the only reason Netflix is able to exist. You see, Netflix itself largely has no reason to want...

      Your heart is in the right place, and I agree on a philosophical level, but unfortunately, DRM is the only reason Netflix is able to exist.

      You see, Netflix itself largely has no reason to want DRM... if anything, it adds tremendously to their development and server costs. The issue is, that they are dependent on licensing deals from assorted media companies, and by and large, all media companies understand is that DRM is the closest thing to some sort of assurance that people can't just download everything off Netflix once, then re-distribute on P2P sites.

      24 votes