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Top Gun: Maverick | New official trailer

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    AugustusFerdinand
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    Oh, is it time for the next Navy recruiting film already? Hmm, let me guess the plot here. There's some superdupersecret mission that somehow needs an unnecessarily large number of non-stealth...

    Oh, is it time for the next Navy recruiting film already?

    Hmm, let me guess the plot here. There's some superdupersecret mission that somehow needs an unnecessarily large number of non-stealth aircraft and low altitude flying to accomplish. I'm going to guess it'll be against an unnamed, but heavily implied North Korea. At least one person is going to die during a training exercise (or almost die and they just lose a plane) and at least one other during the abovementioned pointless mission. Obvious tension between Maverick and Goose's son (Gosling? - PleaseTellMeTheyGaveHimTheCallsignGoslingOrThisMovieIsAlreadyRuined) which will turn to friendship forged through the fire of combat and they'll be supercoolmegabuddies by the end. Based on the photo of Admiral (whatever Val Kilmer's name in the movie is) if he's actually in the movie he's either only referenced or seen and not heard, unless they're going to have someone else/AI voice him (in case you're unaware Val Kilmer has/had throat cancer and can no longer speak naturally). A cameo or two by another actor that was in the first movie that isn't completely unrecognizable as it's been 36 years and very few have aged as well (or had as much plastic surgery) as Tom Scientology Cult Grand Dragon Cruise. Some love interest for Tom Cruise to stand next to in unseen platform shoes. And probably some bit of plot about how drones are the next fighter pilots (they are) and will replace all the top guns (they will) and some "nerd" in a booth with a gaming controller is a threat to the pilots' masculinity (regardless of presence of male organs or identification) and thinks they can outperform a real pilot (they can), but will be proven wrong/humbled in the movie because, obviously, no one wants to watch someone play video games and the movie is about recruiting showing the human element. Oh, and every single pilot wearing a helmet that no FA18 pilot wears any longer.

    I also predict product placement from:
    Ford
    Rayban
    Budweiser
    Kawasaki (I'm sure they paid for the placement like all the others, but it was natural since the first movie's motorcycle was a Kawasaki and if it was replaced by something like a Ducati it would be seen as Ducati being better than Kawasaki for the choice instead of just whoever wrote the biggest check)
    Adidas
    Pepsi
    Boeing and/or Lockheed Martin
    Burger King
    and.. what the hell, why not... Wrigley chewing gum.

    On that last note, anyone else really wish that movies had to disclose all the product placements and endorsements in the movie? Preferably right at the start between the trailers and intro. I'd just like people to know how much of a commercial their two hour movie really is.

    Either way I'm sure I'll see it once it comes to some streaming platform my wife is subscribed to and have to hear from my ex-Marine Marine (because once a marine, always a marine brainwashing) friend who spent a considerable amount of time on aircraft carriers, hitching a ride, and is an military/aviation hardware enthusiast about all the things they got wrong and right in the movie.

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    1. [11]
      mat
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      All of that but incredibly stupid and I'm in. The first movie was incredibly stupid, was well aware of that, and is a classic despite/because of that. Perhaps it was because I watched it at the...

      All of that but incredibly stupid and I'm in. The first movie was incredibly stupid, was well aware of that, and is a classic despite/because of that. Perhaps it was because I watched it at the sort of age where America was still cool, where Russians were still the definitive bad guys (OK, fine, but Maverick wrapped before that one changed) and where flipping off a Mig while inverted was just about the most badass thing someone could do. I dunno. I love the original despite it's significant flaws.

      That said, if there isn't an incredibly homoerotic sweaty topless sports scene in the new one I will demand my money back. Not that I intend to pay to watch this tripe, but still. My illegal download back.

      fwiw what this movie should have been is sad, faded one-time-ace Maverick trying to re-capture his 80s glory in a world which has long since moved on without him. He's there making his big dick-swinging moves and yelling and whooping around in planes decades out of date for modern warfare and nobody's impressed, he just looks like that sexist, racist uncle whose jokes everyone tries to ignore and who gets increasingly offensive and belligerent as the beers flow - but nobody really wanted him here in the first place. The mission quietly goes ahead using drones, high-altitude precision bombers and/or cruise missiles because what the actual fuck are fighters even for any more? Apart from the aforementioned dick-swinging, of course.

      One question though - Navy recruiting? In planes? That's always confused me. Surely these guys are the Air Force? The navy do the boats, right? Boats, famously, not airborne.

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        TheRtRevKaiser
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        It seems weird at first, but the US Navy has something like the 4th largest air force in the world. 1st and 2nd largest are the USAF and the US Army. Navy has lots of fighters and bombers on...

        It seems weird at first, but the US Navy has something like the 4th largest air force in the world. 1st and 2nd largest are the USAF and the US Army. Navy has lots of fighters and bombers on carriers especially.

        I haven't seen it but I'm pretty sure the pilots in the original Top Gun were Navy pilots.

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        1. [7]
          mat
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          Seems pretty weird at second as well, if I'm honest. I'd have thought the Army would go on the ground, the Navy on the water and the Air Force in the air. But there we go. War people, eh?

          Seems pretty weird at second as well, if I'm honest. I'd have thought the Army would go on the ground, the Navy on the water and the Air Force in the air. But there we go. War people, eh?

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            cfabbro
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            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_arms#20th-century_developments
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            1. [5]
              mat
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              Nope. Can't read that without my brain thinking it means human arms. "Combined arms hits the enemy with two or more arms simultaneously"

              Nope. Can't read that without my brain thinking it means human arms.

              "Combined arms hits the enemy with two or more arms simultaneously"

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                Loire
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                It's very simple. During WW2, especially within the Pacific theater, it became very clear that planes launching off of carriers, and not traditional boats, are the most effective naval combat...

                It's very simple. During WW2, especially within the Pacific theater, it became very clear that planes launching off of carriers, and not traditional boats, are the most effective naval combat weapon.

                And as such the Navy has its own planes.

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                  mat
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                  OK, and that is one way to do it but how about.. the Royal Air Force launch their planes off Royal Navy ships. Boat people do boats, plane people do planes, sometimes they work together. That...

                  OK, and that is one way to do it but how about.. the Royal Air Force launch their planes off Royal Navy ships. Boat people do boats, plane people do planes, sometimes they work together. That seems more simple to me, but it doesn't really matter.

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                    Loire
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                    I understand where you are coming from and that is one way to think about it. The other way is that naval missions are planned and operated by the Navy and Navy airframes partake in those...

                    I understand where you are coming from and that is one way to think about it.

                    The other way is that naval missions are planned and operated by the Navy and Navy airframes partake in those missions. Naval pilots are trained for Naval operations and not Airforce operations. Actual naval missions are under the purview of Navy officers who came up in the Navy system. There is no butting of heads between Navy and Airforce brass. No dick swinging competitions. No "I won't risk my men for that mission!". No differing philosophies. Naval operations are coordinated as one unit.

                    For all their faults as a country the US is far and away the best war.machine that has ever existed in the history of this planet. I say we give them the benefit of the doubt on this.

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                    1. cfabbro
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                      Indeed. And if you want to see a counter-example, just look at what's happening in Ukraine right now. Russia is struggling to defeat a much smaller military, in large part due to the separate...

                      Indeed. And if you want to see a counter-example, just look at what's happening in Ukraine right now. Russia is struggling to defeat a much smaller military, in large part due to the separate Russian military branches being so singularly focused. Which has ultimately ended up causing massive inter-branch coordination, communication, and logistical headaches, resulting in an almost complete lack of combined arms operations, and making each branch's units far more vulnerable and less effective.

                      Add to that the fact that Ukraine, who over the last 10 years has adopted a more US-like military structure and doctrine thanks to NATO advisory and training efforts, and it helps explain the massive disparity in the effectiveness and losses of each side's forces.

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        Loire
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        Good news! No word on the homeroticiam but there is a sweaty beach football scene in the trailer.

        That said, if there isn't an incredibly homoerotic sweaty topless sports scene in the new one I will demand my money back. Not that I intend to pay to watch this tripe, but still. My illegal download back.

        Good news! No word on the homeroticiam but there is a sweaty beach football scene in the trailer.

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        1. mat
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          Yeah, I did catch that handful of frames in there. Here's hoping!

          Yeah, I did catch that handful of frames in there. Here's hoping!

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    cloud_loud
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    According to early test screenings, this movie is a masterpiece. I'm looking forward to it, Cruise and his creative team always manage to deliver great adult skewing blockbusters. The director...

    According to early test screenings, this movie is a masterpiece. I'm looking forward to it, Cruise and his creative team always manage to deliver great adult skewing blockbusters.

    The director worked with him on Oblivion (Cruise hand picks the director's he wants to work with) and it was co-written by Christoper McQuarrie (who also directed Mission Impossible Rouge Nation and Fallout and won an Oscar for writing The Usual Suspects).

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      cfabbro
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      IMO, Oblivion is seriously underrated, so that's awesome to hear it's the same director. And I had no idea McQuarrie wrote this, and The Usual Suspect too. Sounds like a recipe for success, so 🤞

      IMO, Oblivion is seriously underrated, so that's awesome to hear it's the same director. And I had no idea McQuarrie wrote this, and The Usual Suspect too. Sounds like a recipe for success, so 🤞

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        I like Oblivion too. It was also a trendsetter in the way movies and television shows are made today. They were the first production to use LED screens, in the same way they used them to shoot...

        I like Oblivion too. It was also a trendsetter in the way movies and television shows are made today. They were the first production to use LED screens, in the same way they used them to shoot Mandalorian.

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