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    1. Legacy sequels and remakes you think were actually good and worth making?

      Studios these days tend to make a lot of movies reusing existing IPs because that's what they know will sell. You have the "new entry in a long running franchise" kinda IP utilizing movies, like...

      Studios these days tend to make a lot of movies reusing existing IPs because that's what they know will sell.

      You have the "new entry in a long running franchise" kinda IP utilizing movies, like say Alien Romulus or the latest MCU film.

      Then you have the "legacy sequel" and "remake", when there might have been only 1-3 original movies, and they bring it back 15+ years later. These are often called "cash grabs", "disrespectful to the original", "unaware of what made the first one good", or something similar. Other times, though, they can be genuinely good, if not better than the first one in some ways.

      The Naked Gun (2025) is the one that inspired this post. I went in without any expectations, and I thought it was a great time. They had some really good jokes about life in the 2020s (such as Tesla door handles being death traps, for example) that I thought were delivered very well. Also, since the genre of parody movies in the style of The Naked Gun or Airplane essentially died off, having a new one felt actually necessary unlike many phoned-in legacy sequels.

      Another example that comes to mind is Blade Runner 2049. Before it came out, the idea of a Blade Runner 2 was so ridiculous, I believe it was a throwaway South Park gag. People assumed that if it ever came out, it'd be a cash grab. But it ended up being so good, I've heard people argue in places like Tildes that it's better than the original.

      The third example I can think of is Top Gun: Maverick. Ever since it's release I've see a lot of people online sing its praises whenever it's come up. In fact, there is a night-and-day difference in the Rotten Tomatoes score for the two films, with the original having a 59% and the legacy sequel having a 96%.

      Can you think of any other legacy sequels or remakes that hold a candle to the original film(s), or surpass them? Bonus points if it's one nobody expected to be good until it released.

      25 votes
    2. The "why does this movie exist" scene

      Hello, I just rewatched the final boss fight of the spectacularly amazing 2010 movie Kickass, and I remembered something I've been meaning to float by movie-knowers... As I see it, this boss fight...

      Hello,

      I just rewatched the final boss fight of the spectacularly amazing 2010 movie Kickass, and I remembered something I've been meaning to float by movie-knowers...

      As I see it, this boss fight is the reason this movie exists. The way I picture how "hollywood"-movies are made is that there is a writers room or producers meeting where nothing happens until someone brings out the weed, schrooms and/or coke which lets real brainstorming take place. And suddenly BAM! You have a single amazing thing happen: the Event.

      Once that is settled they work backwards to building a believable story that leads up to that event.

      The Event for Kickass is having a grown man beat the pulp out of a young girl without anyone really noticing or making a big deal out if it.

      This creates some constraints (remember its 2008/9 at the time of writing), for example:

      • the girl can not be seen as a helpless victim.
      • the man can't win in the end.
      • the beating must be reasonably justified within the story and not just pure sadism/misogyny.
      • the beating must look very unrealistic.

      From those premises they created a a scenario that would make it possible and wrote out a whole film.

      I often find myself having an A-ha!-moment when I find the Event in movies, it's one of the reasons I watch them.

      This is in my view one of the biggest reason why sequels are bad: the Event has already been had in the first movie so there isn't really anything of value left to the story.

      I'm up for talking about things like:

      • how far away I am from the real method of making films
      • what defining Events you see in this or other movies
      • how and why sequels in general or particular are good/bad
      • who went as Kick-Ass or Hit-Girl for Halloween
      • ....
      27 votes