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  2. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    There's two aspects to splitting the last book into two movies: It started a trend where every YA novel adaptation felt the need to do the same thing, and that got old fast... It gave the finale...

    There's two aspects to splitting the last book into two movies:

    • It started a trend where every YA novel adaptation felt the need to do the same thing, and that got old fast...
    • It gave the finale to this long running series a kind of grander scope and finality.

    They were also abundantly clear that two parts was the plan: they actually gave part one the "part one" label, and they showed the release dates for each part in the theatrical trailer. Everyone who went to the theaters around when it was coming out would've understood what was going on.

    Overall, I think it worked out fine. It got memed on for the decision but I think the pacing would've been more rushed in 1 movie.

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  3. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    Minor spoilers below In the 2018 film, Kingpin is defeated, all the main characters go home to their universe, no characters are in imminent danger, and things settle into something resembling a...

    Minor spoilers below

    In the 2018 film, Kingpin is defeated, all the main characters go home to their universe, no characters are in imminent danger, and things settle into something resembling a status quo. There's teasers that future movies can happen, but nothing too crazy.

    In the 2023 film, both Spot and Miguel aren't defeated, Miles' dad is still in danger, and Miles is trapped in a different universe. Practically nothing is resolved, except Gwen and her dad.

    12 votes

  4. Comment on The Game Awards nominees 2024: Controversially, DLCs/expansions can now compete for GOTY in ~games

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    There's been a bit of a stir online due to the decision to allow expansions/DLCs to compete and possibly win GOTY, starting this year with Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree. One of the big talking...

    There's been a bit of a stir online due to the decision to allow expansions/DLCs to compete and possibly win GOTY, starting this year with Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree. One of the big talking points I've heard is that Elden Ring already won GOTY, so this takes attention away from other games. But what if there was a large expansion for a game that hasn't won GOTY yet, would that be ok? Game fans of Tildes, what do you think?

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  6. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    Yes, part one was released before part two was greenlit, with part two greenlit shortly after part one came out. There was some attitude among fans and in articles "we better watch this so they...

    Yes, part one was released before part two was greenlit, with part two greenlit shortly after part one came out. There was some attitude among fans and in articles "we better watch this so they actually make part two." What's interesting is that onscreen in the movie's opening it calls it "Dune: Part One", but if you check the poster you'll see it's just called "Dune". Wikipedia and Rotten Tomatoes use the title "Dune", but IMDb uses "Dune: Part One". The deception is definitely there, and you're not warned until after your butt is in the seat and you've paid for the ticket.

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  7. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    The first Dune book is divided into three "books" (parts): Dune Muad'Dib The Prophet Sidenote: this means that the first (physical) book and the first (story arc) book have the same name as the IP...

    I can’t remember if Herbert labels it part one and two, but the part with the fremen could have easily been published as a second book.

    The first Dune book is divided into three "books" (parts):

    • Dune
    • Muad'Dib
    • The Prophet

    Sidenote: this means that the first (physical) book and the first (story arc) book have the same name as the IP itself, which is a bit confusing.

    The Fremen part is actually two thirds of the book.

    6 votes

  8. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    Yes, I remember it being clear in articles and such that this was the plan, and I went into the theater with that knowledge. But Joe Schmo who doesn't follow movie news on Reddit or Twitter and...

    Yes, I remember it being clear in articles and such that this was the plan, and I went into the theater with that knowledge. But Joe Schmo who doesn't follow movie news on Reddit or Twitter and saw a poster for a Stephen King book adaptation at his local AMC and took his girlfriend to go see it was not aware the movie was a two parter. If scamming people like Joe Schmo wasn't the goal, and they wanted to be very transparent to everyone, there would be a "Chapter One" on the poster.

    It's very likely the creative talent behind the film always intended to make this clear, but the marketing team or other execs went with the deceptive route.

    9 votes

  9. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    Yeah, that makes sense, but it's more of a reason than an excuse for the practice. Unethical business practices, such as casinos not having windows or clocks so you lose track of time, or social...

    part of the blame for that film underperforming at the box office is placed on it being a part one

    Yeah, that makes sense, but it's more of a reason than an excuse for the practice. Unethical business practices, such as casinos not having windows or clocks so you lose track of time, or social media algorithms promoting anger since it gets more engagement, are done because they make money, and they'd be losing out on a lot of money to not min-max things in deceptive ways.

    For Dead Reckoning Part 1, that came out during the "Barbenheimer" thing which I think stole its thunder more than concerns over it being a two parter.

    The renaming fiasco is dumb for sure. The damage for part one is already done so renaming it is pointless, people are expecting the next one to be named "Dead Reckoning Part Two" and will be confused when it's not called that, maybe even think they missed a movie, and part two wouldn't have this "part one-itis" anyways, so the change is counter productive if anything. The new name is also bad.

    Infinity War/Endgame is an interesting thing to bring up. Even though those are technically a two-part series, they feel like two separate movies moreso than the other examples in this thread. Infinity War has a beginning, middle, and end. Sure the villain wins, but the movie is essentially framed from his perspective, and from his perspective things are resolved. He seems to really rest on his laurels at the end of the film as he said he would, as the heroes are sad as they realize they were defeated, instead of feeling motivated to go fight Thanos. Compared to Dune part one or Across the Spider-Verse, it's a very different cliffhanger. I distinctly remember going into Infinity War, expecting just the arc of Thanos getting the stones the first time to get split into two parts, and was surprised he got the job done in one movie. I think MatPat or other people like him made that assumption which primed me to expect that.

    8 votes

  10. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    I wouldn't say it's really a different situation. The other examples of the issue are adaptations, but that doesn't mean the issue has anything to do with adaptations. The issue is a film not...

    I wouldn't say it's really a different situation. The other examples of the issue are adaptations, but that doesn't mean the issue has anything to do with adaptations. The issue is a film not setting your expectations for a standalone movie vs part one of a series appropriately. People can feel similar about that for Spider-Verse as they did for Dune.

    There is something to be said, of course, about if the movies that are adaptations stretch the material into more movies to make money, or if it warranted the extra screen time. This is more of a separate debate. As I mentioned in the post, for Wicked that's probably a "no" (but I have heard some people argue in favor if the extra screen time), and for It or Dune that's definitely a "yes".

    For original stories, of course by all means take 10 movies if that's what it takes, just be clear that's what the plan is.

    10 votes

  11. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    This is an issue I also was going to address in the original post but didn't get around to adding it. When a movie is split in half like this, there's always a risk that part two will get delayed...

    This is an issue I also was going to address in the original post but didn't get around to adding it. When a movie is split in half like this, there's always a risk that part two will get delayed thanks to things like strikes, a disaster like covid, or any number of things. Or worst case, maybe the first one bombs so they never make part two. That raises the anxiety for the fans of that movie to unnecessary levels, and that fear has become very warranted after both Dune and Spider-Verse ran into delays between movies, Spider-Verse's delay being far worse. The point for Spider-Verse's cliffhanger was a quick turn around to the next movie. When that plan fell through... you're left with pissed off fans and half a movie.

    16 votes

  12. Comment on Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters in ~movies

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    A standalone movie that's really good getting a sequel (which is what you describe) isn't my issue. My issue is when they make it look like a complete movie, but it's actually a two parter. That...

    A standalone movie that's really good getting a sequel (which is what you describe) isn't my issue. My issue is when they make it look like a complete movie, but it's actually a two parter. That makes part two not "a sequel", that makes it "the rest of the same movie". Big difference.

    7 votes

  13. Wicked, Dune, It, and deceiving the audience about two-parters

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    So I just heard, less than a week before release, that Wicked (2024) is the latest film in the current maddening trend to lie (by omission) to audiences by not including the "part one" in the...

    So I just heard, less than a week before release, that Wicked (2024) is the latest film in the current maddening trend to lie (by omission) to audiences by not including the "part one" in the title.

    Sure, that information is available online, but not everyone will see that, and that's clearly what their intention is. Get butts in seats, then hit them with a cliffhanger so they have to buy a second ticket. Or possibly to save budget on the second movie (which is likely to have more climactic action scenes) if the first is a flop.

    When I was discussing Wicked with some friends recently, someone said they heard it was pulling this two-parter stunt so we looked it up, and sure enough it was! We were all genuinely shocked. For Dune and It, yeah those are big novels, but surely a 3 hour play adapted to a nearly 3 hour movie wouldn't need to be 2 parts? The musical buff in the group was especially surprised. For that musical buff, the deception and the padding out to two movies made them a lot less motivated to see it. The Google AI summary also goofed and said it wasn't 2 parts, citing a source that said it was two parts, which caused a lot of laughs, but that's another issue.

    I'm not against movies being multiple parts, it's a much better solution than cutting a lot of content or making a bloated movie. My issue is the deception, it always rubs me the wrong way. The newest Mission Impossible went ahead and included "part one" in the name so it was clear. It helps to temper your expectations when you don't expect all the plot lines to be resolved by the time the credits roll. Compare this to the newest Spider-Verse movie, where several of my friends went in with no indication that this one would have a cliffhanger and very little would be resolved. It's a very bad feeling and can sour a theater going experience for some people.

    Movie fans of Tildes, what do you think? Are you also annoyed with this trend? Or does it not bother you?

    54 votes

  14. Comment on Daily driving linux (Fedora KDE) - My experiences after a week in ~tech

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    Has the G502 caused you any issues? That's the mouse I use and I was planning to switch to Mint soon and my mouse not being supported is an issue hadn't even considered. I haven't heard of Solaar,...

    Has the G502 caused you any issues? That's the mouse I use and I was planning to switch to Mint soon and my mouse not being supported is an issue hadn't even considered. I haven't heard of Solaar, but I just looked it up. Does that seem to do the job?

  15. Comment on Overwatch: Classic limited-time event from Nov 12 - Dec 2 in ~games

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    I know that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare got a remaster 9 years after it came out, which served this purpose of a "classic mode" for that series. For Overwatch, I would say it feels warranted....

    I know that Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare got a remaster 9 years after it came out, which served this purpose of a "classic mode" for that series. For Overwatch, I would say it feels warranted. The game has changed a lot in those 8 years; the number of playable characters doubled and the abilities that many launch characters had were reworked entirely. Not to mention 5v5 instead of 6v6.

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  18. Comment on Linux Mint desktop environment recommendations? in ~comp

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    I do plan on using Steam, so I have definitely thought about the stability of Mint being Ubuntu based vs latest updates for games on Arch. I think about how SteamOS is Arch based, and Valve is now...

    I do plan on using Steam, so I have definitely thought about the stability of Mint being Ubuntu based vs latest updates for games on Arch. I think about how SteamOS is Arch based, and Valve is now investing in Arch. I've been looking into Endeavour, and I've heard a lot of people say they like it. Would that be a reasonable OS to use for someone with small-but-nonzero Linux experience?

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  19. Comment on Linux Mint desktop environment recommendations? in ~comp

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    I was interested in Mint since that's what I've had by far the most people recommend. Does Kubuntu have the problem with pushing snaps like Ubuntu?

    I was interested in Mint since that's what I've had by far the most people recommend. Does Kubuntu have the problem with pushing snaps like Ubuntu?

    2 votes

  20. Linux Mint desktop environment recommendations?

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    I am planning on switching to Linux Mint as my first Linux daily driver. I know someone who's used Cinnamon (the default) and it works fine, but I was wondering if the other options officially...

    I am planning on switching to Linux Mint as my first Linux daily driver. I know someone who's used Cinnamon (the default) and it works fine, but I was wondering if the other options officially provided (Xfce and MATE) are any better? I have a little bit of (pretty trivial) GNOME experience on Ubuntu, but I don't really understand the pros and cons of different DEs. I've used KDE on the Steam Deck, and I hear that's a popular one, but can I get that on Mint?

    12 votes