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Comment on Starter comments on Tildes? in ~tildes
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Comment on Hi, how are you? Mental health support and discussion thread (October 2025) in ~health.mental
fnulare Link ParentAh! Thank you (and @kovboydan in the other topic)! I've only seen it as type 1, 2 and combined before. The advice you've gotten seems reasonable, thanks for passing it on (not as advice but as an...Ah! Thank you (and @kovboydan in the other topic)!
I've only seen it as type 1, 2 and combined before.
The advice you've gotten seems reasonable, thanks for passing it on (not as advice but as an anecdote to draw from).
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Comment on Struggling in my relationship in ~life
fnulare Link ParentWhat does "-pi" mean/stand for in this context?What does "-pi" mean/stand for in this context?
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Comment on Playing with words in ~creative
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Playing with words
The other day I realised I should have used a disclaimer on a comment. It is a comment that is supposed to be light hearted and fun so I started to amuse myself in a way that I haven't done in...
The other day I realised I should have used a disclaimer on a comment.
It is a comment that is supposed to be light hearted and fun so I started to amuse myself in a way that I haven't done in quite some time.
I've "always" enjoyed breaking down words (preferably in the "wrong" place), finding synonyms or sound-a-likes or second meanings and their synonyms or sound-a-likes or second meanings, etc, etc...
So I would like to invite you to build on my example below, bring your own examples or tell us about ways that you play with words.
Example:
American pancake
**disclaimer** -> disc + *lamer" -> pancake + *un-cool" -> pancake + *hot* -> pancake + *rising* = American pancake10 votes -
Comment on Struggling in my relationship in ~life
fnulare Link ParentI can relate to this. Just wanted to say that, mostly so I remember I'm not alone in this but it also might be helpful for you to know.I only recently acknowledged that I don't get runner's high from physical exertion, and I don't seem to have much of a euphoric sense of completing a task either.
I can relate to this. Just wanted to say that, mostly so I remember I'm not alone in this but it also might be helpful for you to know.
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentI apologise for using confusing language as I've been using "label" and "term" synonymously to mean "a way to name a group and talk about it" and not about actual labels in the store. I'm also not...I apologise for using confusing language as I've been using "label" and "term" synonymously to mean "a way to name a group and talk about it" and not about actual labels in the store.
I'm also not talking about what any individual should or shouldn't do.
I'm only trying to make the point that scientifically, and as tools for individuals to make choices, these terms: "processed food" and "ultra processed food" are useless if we are trying to make categories for food and how they relate to human health. (Maybe I'm confused about what we are talking about in this sub-thread of the topic, but this is what I've been trying to talk about anyway.)
Your example of pre-cooked tomato sauce is an excellent example. From my understanding there is nothing in there that is inherently bad for my health and the one I do at home is probably both more calory dense, richer in fibre and might contain more ingredients.. So possibly a toss up?
Sure, it is easier to evaluate a combined food stuff the fewer ingredients there are and the more recognisable they are named, but that is another question. And as you stated you also agree to some uses of "industrial" ingredients because you know what they are and why they are in the food (like citric acid in chopped tomatoes).
What you as an individual prefer and do is irrelevant to that discussion but since this started as a person asking for advice I gave some with a little bit of a follow up.
As others have stated elsewhere in this topics comments there are things that we do know affect our health and they are not about how the food is processed but rather what is in the food and the proportions of it.
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Comment on Hi, how are you? Mental health support and discussion thread (October 2025) in ~health.mental
fnulare Link ParentThank you for reading and taking the time to reply. This month I've really dived into some shit that is having me see that I really struggle with 2 things: Agreeing, I just want to oppose...Thank you for reading and taking the time to reply.
This month I've really dived into some shit that is having me see that I really struggle with 2 things:
- Agreeing, I just want to oppose everything. I'm not angry, I just (almost) always feel cornered and it's really hard to follow someone elses thinking about anything (and especially myself).
- Completing and/or finishing tasks, projects, whatever. There is something about not wanting to finish stuff that relates to feeling empty when I'm done but there also is something about getting noticed and/or judged.
The saga continues, one day I might be able to think about myself and my life and be content. I look forward to that day!
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Comment on Supermarket rewards card- yes or no? in ~finance
fnulare Link ParentAgreed, and that is "how they get you" it's the same way of doing business that Google, Facebook, etc have perfected online: by offering a service for free or at a discount where you pay by...Agreed, and that is "how they get you" it's the same way of doing business that Google, Facebook, etc have perfected online: by offering a service for free or at a discount where you pay by providing data or access to yourself as a customer.
Just to make it clear: I'm not arguing about right or wrong here, I just stated my point of view on the matter where I, as a privacy minded person, was asked about it.
And I understand I'm privileged enough to be able to make that choice.
(Although I'm quite sure I save more money annually by not buying the things that would be advertised at me, but ofc I don't have the data to back that claim up.)
It also is a choice that ultimately doesn't matter as there isn't any ethical consumption under capitalism (or as I've come to think of it lately: at all. It is not enough to destroy capitalism we also have to stop "consuming" and change our view on how we use the earths resources for food, shelter, healthcare, etc).
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Comment on Current studies may overestimate microplastics transferring from containers to food in ~food
fnulare Link ParentLanguage learner and sayings aficionado... Is this chock (my bold:ing) an autocorrect mistake of chalk, a personal misunderstanding of the saying or a new form that I'm not aware of (since the...Language learner and sayings aficionado...
I'll chock this up to...
Is this chock (my bold:ing) an autocorrect mistake of chalk, a personal misunderstanding of the saying or a new form that I'm not aware of (since the meaning seems to be exactly the same)?
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Comment on What the hell are we doing with hierarchical tags? in ~tildes
fnulare Link ParentBecause they can. There are many more people looking for work in the sector, that puts the pressure on for anyone still having a job to raise their output or lower their salary/pay. This is why we...Because they can.
There are many more people looking for work in the sector, that puts the pressure on for anyone still having a job to raise their output or lower their salary/pay.
This is why we need unions and workers rights.
Even well paid workers are disposable when the owners see a chance to raise their profit.
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentWow, that ingredient list is indeed terrifying. I see now a mistake on my part, I just couldn't fathom a bag of frozen fries being made that complicated (I'm indeed privileged living where I live...Wow, that ingredient list is indeed terrifying.
I see now a mistake on my part, I just couldn't fathom a bag of frozen fries being made that complicated (I'm indeed privileged living where I live and being the age I am, my apologies to @Tiraon, @creesch & @boxer_dogs_dance for not understanding that).
In any way, I think my point still stands: for people (in their day to day and not as researchers or policy makers) these labels are kind if useless.
Learning to cook with basic ingredients is a way more efficient path if you want to avoid poisoning yourself with additives, save money and understand what you are eating than trying to understand what all the additives and industrial processes do.
Alternatively I support rioting and burning shit down, but that is a bit much to ask for on the open internet ;)
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentYes, you are exceptionally correct, but I mostly wanted to make a point... Many chips/crisps are just potatoes cut thinly and boiled in veg. oil then tossed in salt or other seasoning. Nothing...Yes, you are exceptionally correct, but I mostly wanted to make a point... Many chips/crisps are just potatoes cut thinly and boiled in veg. oil then tossed in salt or other seasoning.
Nothing about it seems ultra processed except the fact that it is likely to be quite unhealthy for you to eat more than a little of it.
This is why I have a problem with this system for individual use: you are mostly left with indigestible information that leaves you with a sense of dread and a want to do something (as shown by OP), but it's very difficult to figure out what to do and how.
@creesch I think maybe this is the currently most succinct version of what I'm trying to say.
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentAgreed, and my point still stands (I'm in neither)Agreed, and my point still stands (I'm in neither)
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Comment on Supermarket rewards card- yes or no? in ~finance
fnulare LinkWell, I don't use any loyalty/membership cards. I just think about it like I do with any "free" service: if you don't pay for it, you are the product. So either you pay 20coins more for the eggs...Well, I don't use any loyalty/membership cards.
I just think about it like I do with any "free" service: if you don't pay for it, you are the product.
So either you pay 20coins more for the eggs or you pay the equivalent of 20coins (or more) by the data they get from you.
I'd rather pay in coins.
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentI want to first say: I hate big parts of the food, animal & agricultural industry. Most of us are not able to eat well enough and it is in part their fault. I'm just arguing here that the NOVA...I want to first say: I hate big parts of the food, animal & agricultural industry.
Most of us are not able to eat well enough and it is in part their fault.
I'm just arguing here that the NOVA classification and other attempts at using the term "ultra processed food" is fairly useless.
With that said....
I did in fact read your whole wall of text (and other similar texts, including the original text and included in it you have written (I've made some words italic, which I will comment below):
Ultraprocessed foods made using industrial methods and ingredients you wouldn’t typically find in grocery stores — like high-fructose corn syrup, hydrogenated oils and concentrated proteins like soy isolate. They often contain additives like flavorings, colorings or emulsifiers to make them appear more attractive and palatable. Think sodas and energy drinks, chips, candies, flavored yogurts, margarine, chicken nuggets, hot dogs, sausages, lunch meats, boxed macaroni and cheese, infant formulas and most packaged breads, plant milks, meat substitutes and breakfast cereals.
- "industrial methods" - what is this?
- "ingredients you wouldn’t typically find in grocery stores" - this is also quite vague imo.
- "chips" - potatoes, oil, salt (or other seasoning), looks like a decent staple to me.
- "hot dogs, sausages, lunch meats, packaged breads, plant milks, meat substitutes" - I refuse to believe these foods are bad for you, but I assume the ones in my local store are of greater average quality than the ones in an average USA store.
Unfortunately I don't really have an alternative but I still think these terms are a distraction trying to move the onus on the individual person trying to eat rather than society as a whole providing for everyone.
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentI agree with your perspective but I just object to using the terms "processed food" and/or "ultraprocessed food" since they seem to be quite badly and loosely defined and even when they are more...I agree with your perspective but I just object to using the terms "processed food" and/or "ultraprocessed food" since they seem to be quite badly and loosely defined and even when they are more strictly defined they seem quite useless.
I don't want to eat food that's been designed to try to addict me
Seems to me like a more useful approach, and avoiding
[food that has] been taste optimized to make cravings more likely and designed with less fiber and other methods to avoid natural signals of satiety after eating as a means of selling more.
A more measurable goal.
Although I personally prefer positive goals over negative goals, so I'd rather strive to do something over striving to avoid something.
Somehow it makes more sense to me.
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare Link ParentOK, then you will have to decide what you are comfortable with, check out ingredients (and how they are made) and learn which ones you want and which ones you don't want. Learning to cook is...OK, then you will have to decide what you are comfortable with, check out ingredients (and how they are made) and learn which ones you want and which ones you don't want.
Learning to cook is possibly useful too, but maybe your time constraints don't allow for it?
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Comment on Looking for low-cost ways to replace industrially processed foods in ~food
fnulare LinkI'm having trouble understanding what you're asking. One aspect of my difficulty is that, to me, "processed food", "ultra processed food" and "industrially processed food" are as meaningful as...I'm having trouble understanding what you're asking.
One aspect of my difficulty is that, to me, "processed food", "ultra processed food" and "industrially processed food" are as meaningful as "chemicals".
Unless you get more specific it's really hard to give any tailored advice.
For generic advice I'd say there are 2 things you can do:
- learn to appreciate foods and drinks that contain fewer ingredients and that you can make yourself with the tools you want to have.
- get yourself a real actual basic cookbook (preferably one adapted to your culture so you will be able to find the ingredients at your local stores) and start cooking!
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Comment on Timasomo 2025: Week 2 Updates in ~creative.timasomo
fnulare Link ParentThis is looking amazing! Fantastic work :)This is looking amazing!
Fantastic work :)
I've started to see it as a game... Spam fun, but still relevant, tags and see if any stick :) The perspective of I won't be able to do it right anyway, might as well have some fun has reduced tag-suggestion-paralysis to almost zero.