Studios need to do something innovative with capes, or ditch the genre altogether. Special snowflake exceptionalism is tired since the media shoves that narrative down everyone's throats to...
Studios need to do something innovative with capes, or ditch the genre altogether.
Special snowflake exceptionalism is tired since the media shoves that narrative down everyone's throats to emphasize how everyone else is disposable and replaceable.
Rather see real drama about real issues to spark conversations, rather than everything being an extended movie short for escapism.
And it isn't escapism if every film is about escapism.
They're never going to ditch them when they can pump out formulaic movies time after time and make money on them. I'm not sure why The Flash is being pointed to as an example of any trend working...
They're never going to ditch them when they can pump out formulaic movies time after time and make money on them.
I'm not sure why The Flash is being pointed to as an example of any trend working or not working because the movie has been trounced by a TON of controversies surrounding its scumbag lead actor, and it's hard to say just how much that has hurt the movie at the box office vs how it would have done otherwise.
The film's box office performance is so bad that it cannot all be blamed on Miller's controversies. I wouldn't even say it was a major reason for it's performance. It was roundly rejected by...
You don't have 70%+ drops on your second weekend because of controversy regarding your lead actor. You drop like that because people absolutely hated the movie.
I feel like when the MCU first booted up, it was fresh. If you compare the early movies like Iron Man 1, Thor 1 and Captain America 1 to the very recent movies, it's just not nearly as good. Yes...
I feel like when the MCU first booted up, it was fresh. If you compare the early movies like Iron Man 1, Thor 1 and Captain America 1 to the very recent movies, it's just not nearly as good.
Yes they found a formula that mixed action and comedy and it was really good, but I mean.. Iron Man 1 was in 2008. That's 15 years ago.
Surely it's time to find a fresh way to do it, and maybe some fresh material? I mean, in general how many reboots and sequels of various things are we getting over the last few years vs. new?
I recently watched The Batman with Pattinson, and it was probably one of the best ones they've rebooted. It was up there for me with the dark knight. I wish they would do more serious super hero...
I recently watched The Batman with Pattinson, and it was probably one of the best ones they've rebooted. It was up there for me with the dark knight. I wish they would do more serious super hero movies, don't get me wrong the comedy/action things, do work, but give me a R rated Super hero movie. A large portion of us who grew up with these comics are not kids. I think this is why I liked the latest Batman.
That's what Snyder tried to do with Man of Steel and BvS and it didn't really go down well. I did like the tone he went for in his own Justice League though. That's the tone I wish DC had from the...
That's what Snyder tried to do with Man of Steel and BvS and it didn't really go down well.
I did like the tone he went for in his own Justice League though. That's the tone I wish DC had from the beginning (serious but not trying so hard to be dark and mature).
I think the "dark and gritty" tone only really works for Batman (The Batman, Joker, Nolan's trilogy). And it doesn't really work for someone like Superman.
As someone who doesn't really care much about Batman I found the Pattinson Batman to be the most entertaining Batman I've seen... ever. The Dark Knight was alright, I'm not a big fan like many...
As someone who doesn't really care much about Batman I found the Pattinson Batman to be the most entertaining Batman I've seen... ever.
The Dark Knight was alright, I'm not a big fan like many others are, but the strength in that film was its villains... Batman was supremely boring in TDK.
That's a DC problem that has existed for a long time of course - Marvel has great heroes but terrible villains, DC has meh heroes but fantastic villains.
That movie was special man. They need to keep doing one-off universes like these. Stop thinking multiverses and start thinking one good hero (or in the case of Joker, one good villain) and his...
That movie was special man. They need to keep doing one-off universes like these. Stop thinking multiverses and start thinking one good hero (or in the case of Joker, one good villain) and his rogues. I'm much more excited to see The Batman 2 - and would be excited to see a Robin with him - than Brave & the Bold which is supposed to have the same director as the Flash.
Literally, DC does so damn good with its solo movies. They should do what they do best. Or at worst invite the ones behind the animated movies to do the live action ones.
Literally, DC does so damn good with its solo movies. They should do what they do best. Or at worst invite the ones behind the animated movies to do the live action ones.
Yeah, that's what I find most mind-boggling. Their live-action movies are usually awful, but their animated films and projects are good. The Justice League series premiere did a much better job at...
Yeah, that's what I find most mind-boggling. Their live-action movies are usually awful, but their animated films and projects are good.
The Justice League series premiere did a much better job at introducing the characters and having a complete story in much less time than the live-action one. It also handled the "save the world" plot way better in my opinion. It made it feel like they all had to work together to win, rather than just let Superman swoop in and easily save the day by himself.
Just, at bare minimum, get a script from the writers for the animated projects and don't make any major changes to the plot or characters. That alone could massively improve the quality, even if the special effects still look awful, because they at least don't try to cram in everything they can think of.
I feel like DC has never really been great about continuity in general. I haven't read comics regularly in a good long while (so I may have missed a more recent storyline), but I can't recall...
I feel like DC has never really been great about continuity in general. I haven't read comics regularly in a good long while (so I may have missed a more recent storyline), but I can't recall Marvel ever having a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" style saga where they had to reboot all their franchises because everything had gotten so convoluted (though they may very well have to do their own version in the MCU given all the multiverse shenanigans they're getting into).
Hopefully with Gunn at the helm they'll get revitalized, but I'm not so sure. Gunn does really great work, but I kind of feel like it was a combination of Gunn's own Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor Ragnarok that really pushed the MCU into the current "stale" Comedy-Action-Superhero era that we're in now. I'm not sure where else he can push them into, other than at least hopefully trying to create a more cohesive cinematic universe. It feels like DC just doesn't know what direction it wants to go in and all the films they've made have stepped on each other's toes.
Say what you will about the MCU, but at least they haven't rebooted their universe multiple times (though there's some "variant" universes in the mix). If anything, Marvel has been doing good with folding in previous movies/series into the MCU (like basically rolling in the prev Spider-man films and Daredevil into the MCU). It's uneven, but it all feels connected.
You'd think India would be a big box office market because of it's population, but it's actually not important. China on the other hand was important before the pandemic. But since? China has been...
No they have big dreams in China, India and any countries with large populations that haven't been burned out on recycled stories yet - and most importantly will pay to sit in a theater.
You'd think India would be a big box office market because of it's population, but it's actually not important. China on the other hand was important before the pandemic. But since? China has been going limp on Hollywood lately. They weren't accepting a lot of Hollywood films until very recently, and most films there have been grossing only a fraction of what they were pre-pandemic. Add on top that studios only get 25% of the gross in China, and you'll realize that slowly but surely Hollywood is gonna have to start abandoning China for other markets, namely Latin America and Mexico specifically due to a rising middle class, and in fact they've probably already planned to start doing that.
An untapped market, actually, is Europe. Europe never really cared about the MCU, and the only Hollywood movie they really turned out for in droves in the past two years was Avatar: The Way of Water. There needs to be more of an attempt made to appeal to Europeans imo.
Studios need to do something innovative with capes, or ditch the genre altogether.
Special snowflake exceptionalism is tired since the media shoves that narrative down everyone's throats to emphasize how everyone else is disposable and replaceable.
Rather see real drama about real issues to spark conversations, rather than everything being an extended movie short for escapism.
And it isn't escapism if every film is about escapism.
They're never going to ditch them when they can pump out formulaic movies time after time and make money on them.
I'm not sure why The Flash is being pointed to as an example of any trend working or not working because the movie has been trounced by a TON of controversies surrounding its scumbag lead actor, and it's hard to say just how much that has hurt the movie at the box office vs how it would have done otherwise.
The film's box office performance is so bad that it cannot all be blamed on Miller's controversies. I wouldn't even say it was a major reason for it's performance. It was roundly rejected by audiences receiving some of the worst scores possible for a comic book movie. And it's in a Cinematic Universe that no one has really cared about outside of a few well received films.
You don't have 70%+ drops on your second weekend because of controversy regarding your lead actor. You drop like that because people absolutely hated the movie.
I feel like when the MCU first booted up, it was fresh. If you compare the early movies like Iron Man 1, Thor 1 and Captain America 1 to the very recent movies, it's just not nearly as good.
Yes they found a formula that mixed action and comedy and it was really good, but I mean.. Iron Man 1 was in 2008. That's 15 years ago.
Surely it's time to find a fresh way to do it, and maybe some fresh material? I mean, in general how many reboots and sequels of various things are we getting over the last few years vs. new?
I recently watched The Batman with Pattinson, and it was probably one of the best ones they've rebooted. It was up there for me with the dark knight. I wish they would do more serious super hero movies, don't get me wrong the comedy/action things, do work, but give me a R rated Super hero movie. A large portion of us who grew up with these comics are not kids. I think this is why I liked the latest Batman.
That's what Snyder tried to do with Man of Steel and BvS and it didn't really go down well.
I did like the tone he went for in his own Justice League though. That's the tone I wish DC had from the beginning (serious but not trying so hard to be dark and mature).
I think the "dark and gritty" tone only really works for Batman (The Batman, Joker, Nolan's trilogy). And it doesn't really work for someone like Superman.
As someone who doesn't really care much about Batman I found the Pattinson Batman to be the most entertaining Batman I've seen... ever.
The Dark Knight was alright, I'm not a big fan like many others are, but the strength in that film was its villains... Batman was supremely boring in TDK.
That's a DC problem that has existed for a long time of course - Marvel has great heroes but terrible villains, DC has meh heroes but fantastic villains.
That movie was special man. They need to keep doing one-off universes like these. Stop thinking multiverses and start thinking one good hero (or in the case of Joker, one good villain) and his rogues. I'm much more excited to see The Batman 2 - and would be excited to see a Robin with him - than Brave & the Bold which is supposed to have the same director as the Flash.
Yea that's true, I thought it was pretty good as well.
Literally, DC does so damn good with its solo movies. They should do what they do best. Or at worst invite the ones behind the animated movies to do the live action ones.
Yeah, that's what I find most mind-boggling. Their live-action movies are usually awful, but their animated films and projects are good.
The Justice League series premiere did a much better job at introducing the characters and having a complete story in much less time than the live-action one. It also handled the "save the world" plot way better in my opinion. It made it feel like they all had to work together to win, rather than just let Superman swoop in and easily save the day by himself.
Just, at bare minimum, get a script from the writers for the animated projects and don't make any major changes to the plot or characters. That alone could massively improve the quality, even if the special effects still look awful, because they at least don't try to cram in everything they can think of.
I feel like DC has never really been great about continuity in general. I haven't read comics regularly in a good long while (so I may have missed a more recent storyline), but I can't recall Marvel ever having a "Crisis on Infinite Earths" style saga where they had to reboot all their franchises because everything had gotten so convoluted (though they may very well have to do their own version in the MCU given all the multiverse shenanigans they're getting into).
Hopefully with Gunn at the helm they'll get revitalized, but I'm not so sure. Gunn does really great work, but I kind of feel like it was a combination of Gunn's own Guardians of the Galaxy and Thor Ragnarok that really pushed the MCU into the current "stale" Comedy-Action-Superhero era that we're in now. I'm not sure where else he can push them into, other than at least hopefully trying to create a more cohesive cinematic universe. It feels like DC just doesn't know what direction it wants to go in and all the films they've made have stepped on each other's toes.
Say what you will about the MCU, but at least they haven't rebooted their universe multiple times (though there's some "variant" universes in the mix). If anything, Marvel has been doing good with folding in previous movies/series into the MCU (like basically rolling in the prev Spider-man films and Daredevil into the MCU). It's uneven, but it all feels connected.
You'd think India would be a big box office market because of it's population, but it's actually not important. China on the other hand was important before the pandemic. But since? China has been going limp on Hollywood lately. They weren't accepting a lot of Hollywood films until very recently, and most films there have been grossing only a fraction of what they were pre-pandemic. Add on top that studios only get 25% of the gross in China, and you'll realize that slowly but surely Hollywood is gonna have to start abandoning China for other markets, namely Latin America and Mexico specifically due to a rising middle class, and in fact they've probably already planned to start doing that.
An untapped market, actually, is Europe. Europe never really cared about the MCU, and the only Hollywood movie they really turned out for in droves in the past two years was Avatar: The Way of Water. There needs to be more of an attempt made to appeal to Europeans imo.