I believe this was expected once more information came out. Whoever else is or isn’t responsible, it sure seems like this is the right decision in regards to their blatant neglect
I believe this was expected once more information came out. Whoever else is or isn’t responsible, it sure seems like this is the right decision in regards to their blatant neglect
An incident on set led to actor Alec Baldwin being given a firearm with live ammunition. Someone was shot and killed during filming as a result. Now, the on-set armorer has been convicted.
An incident on set led to actor Alec Baldwin being given a firearm with live ammunition. Someone was shot and killed during filming as a result. Now, the on-set armorer has been convicted.
From what I've read it doesn't sound like checking the ammo was a difficult task. Shaking a round to see if it rattled would indicate if it was a blank or a live round so each one was supposed to...
From what I've read it doesn't sound like checking the ammo was a difficult task. Shaking a round to see if it rattled would indicate if it was a blank or a live round so each one was supposed to be checked before putting it into the pistol. And she didnt do that.
Tangentially I find the change between her "real life" appearance and "courtroom" appearance quite interesting. On set, Ms Gutierrez had bright purple and yellow hair in a wild cut and baggy, sloppy clothing. In court she's got carefully curled natural hair and a black turtleneck and necklace - very much a 'nice responsible conservative girl' look and barely recognizable from before. I wonder how much effect that has on the jury?
You find it curious that she dressed/looked conservative for a manslaughter trial? Did you expect her to wear jeans and a tank top with spiked purple hair?
You find it curious that she dressed/looked conservative for a manslaughter trial? Did you expect her to wear jeans and a tank top with spiked purple hair?
No, but I didnt think there would be a total shift from her regular appearance. Her original look was in the 'dont tell me what to do, I make my own choices' arena. My expectation was she might...
No, but I didnt think there would be a total shift from her regular appearance. Her original look was in the 'dont tell me what to do, I make my own choices' arena. My expectation was she might let the color wash out and dress up a little better, but she was full on 'good church girl' at her sentencing. I actually checked to see if she was wearing a cross on her necklace. It was a crystal.
It's been 2 years since the incident, maybe being responsible for the death of someone sobered her up a bit and caused her to not feel like dying her hair purple anymore. I think judging her...
It's been 2 years since the incident, maybe being responsible for the death of someone sobered her up a bit and caused her to not feel like dying her hair purple anymore. I think judging her appearance at a trial like this is weird at best.
Granted. Its weird. I have a slightly different interest than most because Ive been in her boots. It wasn't a criminal trial but a civil one that didn't result in the loss of life, thank goodness,...
Granted. Its weird. I have a slightly different interest than most because Ive been in her boots. It wasn't a criminal trial but a civil one that didn't result in the loss of life, thank goodness, but it came close. I became very aware of the courtroom's perceptions and especially how the judge would perceive me. As a guy whose never had more than a parking ticket, it was an extremely uncomfortable place to be.
If I'm going to be sitting in front of a judge and jury, I'm going to make absolutely certain I put on my best "good church girl" impression, even if my standard style is completely opposite. You...
If I'm going to be sitting in front of a judge and jury, I'm going to make absolutely certain I put on my best "good church girl" impression, even if my standard style is completely opposite. You gotta do whatever you can to sway the jurors.
To be clear, "Shaking a round" is not acceptable procedure, and was just the procedure on their fucked up set. So not only did she not do the procedure they'd come up with, the entire procedure...
From what I've read it doesn't sound like checking the ammo was a difficult task. Shaking a round to see if it rattled would indicate if it was a blank or a live round so each one was supposed to be checked before putting it into the pistol. And she didnt do that.
To be clear, "Shaking a round" is not acceptable procedure, and was just the procedure on their fucked up set. So not only did she not do the procedure they'd come up with, the entire procedure was VASTLY out of line with what they're supposed to be doing.
I guess I don't know much about filmmaking, but I do know about gun safety. Is it common to have live ammunition on set? Even "checking each round" sounds insane to me (not disputing your point,...
I guess I don't know much about filmmaking, but I do know about gun safety. Is it common to have live ammunition on set? Even "checking each round" sounds insane to me (not disputing your point, but challenging the operating assumptions on that set). The live ammo and dummy rounds should not even be in the same safe, nor even in the same trailer. A manual process should still be followed (checking each round), but you need to remove as much human error as you possibly can.
That was the point. Live rounds are verboten on a film set. There's absolutely zero reason for a live round to be anywhere near filming. That they were was just one of many examples of her not...
That was the point. Live rounds are verboten on a film set. There's absolutely zero reason for a live round to be anywhere near filming. That they were was just one of many examples of her not doing her job.
She was the person charged with monitoring and enforcing all the safety regulations for weapons needed to film the movie. She didn't do her job, which is why someone died, and why she was on trial for it. Safety regulations are written in blood. People don't often figure everything out ahead of time, then someone gets hurt or killed, and a new rule is written.
She treated it like "just a job", one where it's silly and casual and all that. And someone died because of it. She's been held accountable, and one of the reasons is it'll serve as an unfortunate reminder to everyone else in the industry of what happens when a Set Armorer takes a casual attitude towards their job.
That was my question as well. Why would there ever be a live round anywhere remotely near a gun that's used for films? By all means, check all the ammo before it's used, but a live round should...
That was my question as well. Why would there ever be a live round anywhere remotely near a gun that's used for films? By all means, check all the ammo before it's used, but a live round should never be on a set, full stop. If a live round is found, everything should stop until it's found out who brought it, and why.
There weren't supposed to be live rounds on the set at all. The defense tried to argue that the mixup happened where they bought the ammo, but that didnt fly with the jury.
There weren't supposed to be live rounds on the set at all. The defense tried to argue that the mixup happened where they bought the ammo, but that didnt fly with the jury.
People judge. Constantly. They judge on the littlest things, stuff that you might not consider important someone else does. Any lawyer worth their salt will try really hard to get any client...
People judge. Constantly. They judge on the littlest things, stuff that you might not consider important someone else does. Any lawyer worth their salt will try really hard to get any client appearing in court to dress conservatively. Normal. Ordinary. Not shocking, not with personality or flair. The goal isn't to stand out, it's to portray an image that says normal.
Yes, people are shallow. Yes, it's kind of stupid. But we're not talking about someone you pass on the street, or a salesclerk trying to hold it in as you stand in an expensive store wearing grunge fashion. It's a manslaughter trial.
When it's your ass on the line, you'd probably do well to listen to the lawyer and go get decked out to look nice and ordinary. Neatly turned out. Clean cut. Because that's how it works. Outliers get pounded. Don't stand out when you're standing to be judged. It's bad enough they know you're to be judged, adding additional reasons for them to judge you with doesn't help at all.
Honestly any time I expect to be in front of a judge for something as little as a tax protest or parking ticket, I’d be as clean cut/shaven and dressed as possible I can’t imagine going before a...
Honestly any time I expect to be in front of a judge for something as little as a tax protest or parking ticket, I’d be as clean cut/shaven and dressed as possible
I can’t imagine going before a judge without trying to make it clear you did your best to look presentable
I believe this was expected once more information came out. Whoever else is or isn’t responsible, it sure seems like this is the right decision in regards to their blatant neglect
An incident on set led to actor Alec Baldwin being given a firearm with live ammunition. Someone was shot and killed during filming as a result. Now, the on-set armorer has been convicted.
From what I've read it doesn't sound like checking the ammo was a difficult task. Shaking a round to see if it rattled would indicate if it was a blank or a live round so each one was supposed to be checked before putting it into the pistol. And she didnt do that.
Tangentially I find the change between her "real life" appearance and "courtroom" appearance quite interesting. On set, Ms Gutierrez had bright purple and yellow hair in a wild cut and baggy, sloppy clothing. In court she's got carefully curled natural hair and a black turtleneck and necklace - very much a 'nice responsible conservative girl' look and barely recognizable from before. I wonder how much effect that has on the jury?
You find it curious that she dressed/looked conservative for a manslaughter trial? Did you expect her to wear jeans and a tank top with spiked purple hair?
No, but I didnt think there would be a total shift from her regular appearance. Her original look was in the 'dont tell me what to do, I make my own choices' arena. My expectation was she might let the color wash out and dress up a little better, but she was full on 'good church girl' at her sentencing. I actually checked to see if she was wearing a cross on her necklace. It was a crystal.
It's been 2 years since the incident, maybe being responsible for the death of someone sobered her up a bit and caused her to not feel like dying her hair purple anymore. I think judging her appearance at a trial like this is weird at best.
Granted. Its weird. I have a slightly different interest than most because Ive been in her boots. It wasn't a criminal trial but a civil one that didn't result in the loss of life, thank goodness, but it came close. I became very aware of the courtroom's perceptions and especially how the judge would perceive me. As a guy whose never had more than a parking ticket, it was an extremely uncomfortable place to be.
If I'm going to be sitting in front of a judge and jury, I'm going to make absolutely certain I put on my best "good church girl" impression, even if my standard style is completely opposite. You gotta do whatever you can to sway the jurors.
To be clear, "Shaking a round" is not acceptable procedure, and was just the procedure on their fucked up set. So not only did she not do the procedure they'd come up with, the entire procedure was VASTLY out of line with what they're supposed to be doing.
The correct way to check if its a live round is to point it at the ground and pull the trigger. If it goes off, it was a live round.
Blanks also go off. Dummies don't.
I guess I don't know much about filmmaking, but I do know about gun safety. Is it common to have live ammunition on set? Even "checking each round" sounds insane to me (not disputing your point, but challenging the operating assumptions on that set). The live ammo and dummy rounds should not even be in the same safe, nor even in the same trailer. A manual process should still be followed (checking each round), but you need to remove as much human error as you possibly can.
That was the point. Live rounds are verboten on a film set. There's absolutely zero reason for a live round to be anywhere near filming. That they were was just one of many examples of her not doing her job.
She was the person charged with monitoring and enforcing all the safety regulations for weapons needed to film the movie. She didn't do her job, which is why someone died, and why she was on trial for it. Safety regulations are written in blood. People don't often figure everything out ahead of time, then someone gets hurt or killed, and a new rule is written.
She treated it like "just a job", one where it's silly and casual and all that. And someone died because of it. She's been held accountable, and one of the reasons is it'll serve as an unfortunate reminder to everyone else in the industry of what happens when a Set Armorer takes a casual attitude towards their job.
Which is safety.
That was my question as well. Why would there ever be a live round anywhere remotely near a gun that's used for films? By all means, check all the ammo before it's used, but a live round should never be on a set, full stop. If a live round is found, everything should stop until it's found out who brought it, and why.
There weren't supposed to be live rounds on the set at all. The defense tried to argue that the mixup happened where they bought the ammo, but that didnt fly with the jury.
People judge. Constantly. They judge on the littlest things, stuff that you might not consider important someone else does. Any lawyer worth their salt will try really hard to get any client appearing in court to dress conservatively. Normal. Ordinary. Not shocking, not with personality or flair. The goal isn't to stand out, it's to portray an image that says normal.
Yes, people are shallow. Yes, it's kind of stupid. But we're not talking about someone you pass on the street, or a salesclerk trying to hold it in as you stand in an expensive store wearing grunge fashion. It's a manslaughter trial.
When it's your ass on the line, you'd probably do well to listen to the lawyer and go get decked out to look nice and ordinary. Neatly turned out. Clean cut. Because that's how it works. Outliers get pounded. Don't stand out when you're standing to be judged. It's bad enough they know you're to be judged, adding additional reasons for them to judge you with doesn't help at all.
Honestly any time I expect to be in front of a judge for something as little as a tax protest or parking ticket, I’d be as clean cut/shaven and dressed as possible
I can’t imagine going before a judge without trying to make it clear you did your best to look presentable