I really like the first movie and this looks like a decent sequel to me. Full-blown puberty was the next logical progression! The new emotions should be fun to watch and mostly make sense, but it...
I really like the first movie and this looks like a decent sequel to me. Full-blown puberty was the next logical progression! The new emotions should be fun to watch and mostly make sense, but it does bug me that the first movie sets the precedent of showing the same set of five as the only ones present inside everyone we see. I'm curious how they retcon that. I'm expecting some sort of "once you're fully grown those emotions are still present but mostly not in control of anything" explanation. Maybe we'll peek into Mom and Dad's heads again and the camera will pan over to show their embarrassments and anxieties being suppressed in comical ways. I could get behind that.
As a hardcore Pixar fan since Toy Story, it warmed my heart to hear John Ratzenberger's voice again! I had to look it up to make sure it was really him. I was also surprised then to learn that the cast includes Frank Oz and Flea. Interesting. I see that they recast the voices of Fear and Disgust: Tony Hale now replaces Bill Hader, and Liza Lapira replaces Mindy Kaling, respectively. I think the former is a great choice... I'm not familiar enough with Lapira's work to comment on her. All in all I'm pretty excited about this one.
My assumption was always that because these were the emotions of a young girl, the perception of other people's emotions could only be framed from her less complete experience.
but it does bug me that the first movie sets the precedent of showing the same set of five as the only ones present inside everyone we see.
My assumption was always that because these were the emotions of a young girl, the perception of other people's emotions could only be framed from her less complete experience.
Inside Out is a brilliant story, brilliantly told. When Pixar was still Pixar, Disney demanded a sequel to Toy Story. And Pixar's Brain Trust found a great one. They found a story, not a sequel....
Inside Out is a brilliant story, brilliantly told.
When Pixar was still Pixar, Disney demanded a sequel to Toy Story. And Pixar's Brain Trust found a great one. They found a story, not a sequel. Then a third story for a third sequel, which some argue is the most touching of the whole thing. Then corporate wanted still more, and we got the fourth which has nothing on the trilogy.
This is more of the same. Corporate development driven by a spreadsheet. They looked through the numbers and saw stuff like "Inside Out sold well. The characters are popular and sell well. We should extend the franchise."
It looks safe in a meeting. When someone proposes it, there aren't nearly as many unknowns. Which executives hate. They want certainty. They want numbers, facts, assurance. A sequel (seems to) offer that. It's a big part of why everything's a sequel or franchise now. Raising the notion of funding a sequel is a safe thing to back when you're an executive. If nothing else, it gives you a line of defense if it goes poorly.
This is a horrible development. Even though the Pixar Brain Trust has been destroyed and scattered to the winds for a while now, Pixar itself seemed to be trying to stay on the same path. Not all of their movies had true story, true heart, but it looked like they were trying. Now we have this, which doesn't look like it's trying to do anything except make money.
Their sole angle seems to be the one most non-creatives take. More. More sequels, more installments. Here, more emotions. Why stick with five, when we can add more? We'll one-up the original, it's genius! The most uncreative thing any so-called story can attempt is "more". To just raise the stakes because that's what matters.
And arguably at least some of the more they're going with, expanded emotions, are derivative of the core five; Anxiety and Embarrassment are mostly just Fear. Looking at the wiki entry, they have Ennui listed. That's basically Sadness. Envy could be argued to be a mix of Fear and Joy and Anger.
One of the Pixar hallmarks was they always told simple stories, with simple story tools, but in a way that offered layers of meaning.
Emotions are complicated, but Inside Out condensed the representation down to five (and introduced the concept of complex emotions at the climax as part of its brilliance) as a way to support story. Adding more just begs the question of where do we stop? We had the core five, and everything came back to those. Now, with increasing specifics, where's the line?
Boredom, Confusion, Love, Shame, Amusement, Gratitude, Acceptance, Affection ... where do we stop? If we diverge from the five core concept for this (these) stories, you end up with wondering why the whole gamut isn't just piled in. Sure we have Joy, but Love is different see and Love should be there. And if we're going to have Love, then why not Hate even though that feels like part of Anger. Why, for Inside-Out Three Electric Emotions they could have forty or more people in Riley's head, all fighting for control.
Pixar is truly dead. Not just a shadow of its former self like it's started to feel for awhile now; at this point they've completely excised the people who made it special, spectacular, and amazing. Docter isn't even returning, they've found someone else to take over, and Docter was the last one standing of the Brain Trust.
My friend is a therapist that in working with kids used the Inside Out emotions regularly. I think that the expanded emotions, tied to adolescence, are great additions in theory and I'm waiting to...
My friend is a therapist that in working with kids used the Inside Out emotions regularly. I think that the expanded emotions, tied to adolescence, are great additions in theory and I'm waiting to see them handled. It's possible that the new emotions will turn out to be those mixtures of the core group. As we mature the emotions we experience get more and more complicated. We've seen that adults seem to shake themselves down to the core 5, so maybe that will still happen. Much like turning Red this feels really accurate to the teenage experience.
I don't think that this is a sign of the doom of Pixar - we've had plenty of possible signs of that - but as a mental health professional I'm actually really excited to see what they do with it.
I love the first Inside Out but this does not look good. It reminds me of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes trailer. Something just feels off, I can’t quite put my finger on it.
I love the first Inside Out but this does not look good. It reminds me of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes trailer. Something just feels off, I can’t quite put my finger on it.
I really like the first movie and this looks like a decent sequel to me. Full-blown puberty was the next logical progression! The new emotions should be fun to watch and mostly make sense, but it does bug me that the first movie sets the precedent of showing the same set of five as the only ones present inside everyone we see. I'm curious how they retcon that. I'm expecting some sort of "once you're fully grown those emotions are still present but mostly not in control of anything" explanation. Maybe we'll peek into Mom and Dad's heads again and the camera will pan over to show their embarrassments and anxieties being suppressed in comical ways. I could get behind that.
As a hardcore Pixar fan since Toy Story, it warmed my heart to hear John Ratzenberger's voice again! I had to look it up to make sure it was really him. I was also surprised then to learn that the cast includes Frank Oz and Flea. Interesting. I see that they recast the voices of Fear and Disgust: Tony Hale now replaces Bill Hader, and Liza Lapira replaces Mindy Kaling, respectively. I think the former is a great choice... I'm not familiar enough with Lapira's work to comment on her. All in all I'm pretty excited about this one.
My assumption was always that because these were the emotions of a young girl, the perception of other people's emotions could only be framed from her less complete experience.
Oh wow, I actually just assumed it was a very good impression.
Inside Out is a brilliant story, brilliantly told.
When Pixar was still Pixar, Disney demanded a sequel to Toy Story. And Pixar's Brain Trust found a great one. They found a story, not a sequel. Then a third story for a third sequel, which some argue is the most touching of the whole thing. Then corporate wanted still more, and we got the fourth which has nothing on the trilogy.
This is more of the same. Corporate development driven by a spreadsheet. They looked through the numbers and saw stuff like "Inside Out sold well. The characters are popular and sell well. We should extend the franchise."
It looks safe in a meeting. When someone proposes it, there aren't nearly as many unknowns. Which executives hate. They want certainty. They want numbers, facts, assurance. A sequel (seems to) offer that. It's a big part of why everything's a sequel or franchise now. Raising the notion of funding a sequel is a safe thing to back when you're an executive. If nothing else, it gives you a line of defense if it goes poorly.
This is a horrible development. Even though the Pixar Brain Trust has been destroyed and scattered to the winds for a while now, Pixar itself seemed to be trying to stay on the same path. Not all of their movies had true story, true heart, but it looked like they were trying. Now we have this, which doesn't look like it's trying to do anything except make money.
Their sole angle seems to be the one most non-creatives take. More. More sequels, more installments. Here, more emotions. Why stick with five, when we can add more? We'll one-up the original, it's genius! The most uncreative thing any so-called story can attempt is "more". To just raise the stakes because that's what matters.
And arguably at least some of the more they're going with, expanded emotions, are derivative of the core five; Anxiety and Embarrassment are mostly just Fear. Looking at the wiki entry, they have Ennui listed. That's basically Sadness. Envy could be argued to be a mix of Fear and Joy and Anger.
One of the Pixar hallmarks was they always told simple stories, with simple story tools, but in a way that offered layers of meaning.
Emotions are complicated, but Inside Out condensed the representation down to five (and introduced the concept of complex emotions at the climax as part of its brilliance) as a way to support story. Adding more just begs the question of where do we stop? We had the core five, and everything came back to those. Now, with increasing specifics, where's the line?
Boredom, Confusion, Love, Shame, Amusement, Gratitude, Acceptance, Affection ... where do we stop? If we diverge from the five core concept for this (these) stories, you end up with wondering why the whole gamut isn't just piled in. Sure we have Joy, but Love is different see and Love should be there. And if we're going to have Love, then why not Hate even though that feels like part of Anger. Why, for Inside-Out Three Electric Emotions they could have forty or more people in Riley's head, all fighting for control.
Pixar is truly dead. Not just a shadow of its former self like it's started to feel for awhile now; at this point they've completely excised the people who made it special, spectacular, and amazing. Docter isn't even returning, they've found someone else to take over, and Docter was the last one standing of the Brain Trust.
My friend is a therapist that in working with kids used the Inside Out emotions regularly. I think that the expanded emotions, tied to adolescence, are great additions in theory and I'm waiting to see them handled. It's possible that the new emotions will turn out to be those mixtures of the core group. As we mature the emotions we experience get more and more complicated. We've seen that adults seem to shake themselves down to the core 5, so maybe that will still happen. Much like turning Red this feels really accurate to the teenage experience.
I don't think that this is a sign of the doom of Pixar - we've had plenty of possible signs of that - but as a mental health professional I'm actually really excited to see what they do with it.
I love the first Inside Out but this does not look good. It reminds me of the Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes trailer. Something just feels off, I can’t quite put my finger on it.
The Sar Chasm is really good though.
Inside Out is easily in my top 5 animated movies, but I have been dreading the sequel.