They should just reboot most of the universe with this. I'm pretty sure they got rid of cavil as superman and afleck as batman. Obviously wonder woman stays, gal gadot is perfect for the role. I...
They should just reboot most of the universe with this. I'm pretty sure they got rid of cavil as superman and afleck as batman. Obviously wonder woman stays, gal gadot is perfect for the role. I actually liked the guy from game of thrones as aquaman, and the flash kid was spazzy enough to believe. This should be the starting point of a new generation. But they have a LONG ways to go to catch up to what marvel has done.
Jason Momoa did have the advantage of pre-existing Atlantis experience. But yeah, he and Gadot were the best parts of a bad movie. If DC ever actually manages a successful film franchise, they're...
I actually liked the guy from game of thrones as aquaman
Jason Momoa did have the advantage of pre-existing Atlantis experience. But yeah, he and Gadot were the best parts of a bad movie. If DC ever actually manages a successful film franchise, they're definitely keepers.
The only way to keep the Joker interesting while showing the backstory is if they go serious unreliable narrator on the whole thing. Give me something at least as weird as Memento or Fight Club...
The only way to keep the Joker interesting while showing the backstory is if they go serious unreliable narrator on the whole thing. Give me something at least as weird as Memento or Fight Club and I can be happy, but if it just goes: "Look, Joker was abused and so he's an asshole!" I will be very upset.
'the killing joke' I think is what is called the true joker origin story. very gruesome. I say read the unedited version of the comics (am I remembering wrong that there was one?) Just... it is...
'the killing joke' I think is what is called the true joker origin story. very gruesome. I say read the unedited version of the comics (am I remembering wrong that there was one?) Just... it is where joker just hits a wall and goes nuts and rapes and kills. There was an adaptation of the comic done just recently but was panned by critics, it's animation but it still gets the point across. People do love that comic
It's Alan Moore's laziest work by his own standards but even his worst stuff is one of the best in the entire medium. I really don't have much bad to say about Killing Joke as it is, it's a great...
It's Alan Moore's laziest work by his own standards but even his worst stuff is one of the best in the entire medium. I really don't have much bad to say about Killing Joke as it is, it's a great one-off that deserved to become canon with how much depth he gave the Joker, the effect of Barbara becoming crippled, and the dynamic between Batman and Joker.
The nuts and killings, yes. The raping, not so much. Joker never did that in any of the canon comics as far as I'm aware. The closest I can remember is demanding something of a prima nocta from an...
'the killing joke' I think is what is called the true joker origin story. very gruesome. I say read the unedited version of the comics (am I remembering wrong that there was one?) Just... it is where joker just hits a wall and goes nuts and rapes and kills.
The nuts and killings, yes. The raping, not so much. Joker never did that in any of the canon comics as far as I'm aware. The closest I can remember is demanding something of a prima nocta from an underling's wife in the Brian Azzarello non-canon one-off story.
It's known he was the Red Hood and that he became the Joker by falling into a vat of chemicals. What's not known is what he was before he was the Red Hood.
It's known he was the Red Hood and that he became the Joker by falling into a vat of chemicals. What's not known is what he was before he was the Red Hood.
They did give Joker an origin story prior to the Red Hood, he was a failed comedian that put on the hood to support his pregnant wife in The Killing Joke which is considered mainstream canon
They did give Joker an origin story prior to the Red Hood, he was a failed comedian that put on the hood to support his pregnant wife in The Killing Joke which is considered mainstream canon
If I remeber correctly he is reluctant to become Red Hood because (MASSIVE SPOILER) his pregnant wife dies because of the biberon heater exploded killing both his wife and his future son. (SPOILER...
If I remeber correctly he is reluctant to become Red Hood because (MASSIVE SPOILER) his pregnant wife dies because of the biberon heater exploded killing both his wife and his future son. (SPOILER END)
The main theme of the killing joke is that everyone is one bad day away from becoming the Joker.
The Killing Joke though a fan favourite for Joker's origin story is not canon and wasn't meant to be. There is some confusion because parts of TKJ, like Gordon's paralysis ended up being canon...
The Killing Joke though a fan favourite for Joker's origin story is not canon and wasn't meant to be. There is some confusion because parts of TKJ, like Gordon's paralysis ended up being canon (until the New 52 sort of...).
In the current canon, the Joker's origin is completely myth, as in it's literally based on a old Gotham myth (similar to slenderman sort of thing). And his association with the Red Hood gang is really questionable too.
Yeah they might, but I honestly hope they don't. I prefer the mystery, and that ultimately his past doesn't matter because it's the present Joker that's harming people.
Yeah they might, but I honestly hope they don't. I prefer the mystery, and that ultimately his past doesn't matter because it's the present Joker that's harming people.
Unless they changed it, it won't really be an origin story, it's an Elseworlds story. For those not familiar with DC, it's a story set in another world, out of the main continuity (or branching...
Unless they changed it, it won't really be an origin story, it's an Elseworlds story. For those not familiar with DC, it's a story set in another world, out of the main continuity (or branching from it).
It means they can pull a lot of crazy stuff and get away with it. If you want some good examples of Elseworlds stories from DC, you should read Superman: Red Son (for the love of God don't read its Wiki article) or read/watch Batman: Gotham by Gaslight.
What I expect from this movie really is a short intro explaining what their Elseworlds are and how they can differ from the DCEU. Something simple so everyone can understand the concept (which should be fairly easy) with some snippets of comics/past movies flashing on the screen, then cut to the story of this Joker.
Just imagine the possibilities in the long run. They could have some movies starring Christian Bale, Affleck and Keaton fighting a common threat together created by the universes colliding or something. You can even do that with some no-name actors to tease a concept and see if the public is interested.
If done well, Elseworlds movies can be a goldmine and have the possibility to make hardcore and casual fans happy.
They should just reboot most of the universe with this. I'm pretty sure they got rid of cavil as superman and afleck as batman. Obviously wonder woman stays, gal gadot is perfect for the role. I actually liked the guy from game of thrones as aquaman, and the flash kid was spazzy enough to believe. This should be the starting point of a new generation. But they have a LONG ways to go to catch up to what marvel has done.
Jason Momoa did have the advantage of pre-existing Atlantis experience. But yeah, he and Gadot were the best parts of a bad movie. If DC ever actually manages a successful film franchise, they're definitely keepers.
What’s wrong with Henry Cavil? The guy is like the perfect Superman.
I meant I think WB already fired him and afleck
Huh, it looks like it could be interesting. But I really had no desire to see the Joker's origin story and in fact kind of like not knowing.
The only way to keep the Joker interesting while showing the backstory is if they go serious unreliable narrator on the whole thing. Give me something at least as weird as Memento or Fight Club and I can be happy, but if it just goes: "Look, Joker was abused and so he's an asshole!" I will be very upset.
'the killing joke' I think is what is called the true joker origin story. very gruesome. I say read the unedited version of the comics (am I remembering wrong that there was one?) Just... it is where joker just hits a wall and goes nuts and rapes and kills. There was an adaptation of the comic done just recently but was panned by critics, it's animation but it still gets the point across. People do love that comic
TKJ wasn't bad it just wasn't good, like a 6/10.
I mean even the writer later said it wasn't that good of a comic
It's Alan Moore's laziest work by his own standards but even his worst stuff is one of the best in the entire medium. I really don't have much bad to say about Killing Joke as it is, it's a great one-off that deserved to become canon with how much depth he gave the Joker, the effect of Barbara becoming crippled, and the dynamic between Batman and Joker.
The nuts and killings, yes. The raping, not so much. Joker never did that in any of the canon comics as far as I'm aware. The closest I can remember is demanding something of a prima nocta from an underling's wife in the Brian Azzarello non-canon one-off story.
I'm dead set against a definitive origin story. "If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"
The Joker already has a definitive origin story, though. I remember it being referenced quite a bit on the leading comics too.
It's known he was the Red Hood and that he became the Joker by falling into a vat of chemicals. What's not known is what he was before he was the Red Hood.
They did give Joker an origin story prior to the Red Hood, he was a failed comedian that put on the hood to support his pregnant wife in The Killing Joke which is considered mainstream canon
If I remember correctly, though, that falls under "unreliable narrator", i.e. the Joker himself. He has revealed conflicting origins in the past.
I remember the whole story being told in 3rd person, so it’s absolute truth.
I might be wrong though, feel free to correct me!
If I remeber correctly he is reluctant to become Red Hood because (MASSIVE SPOILER) his pregnant wife dies because of the biberon heater exploded killing both his wife and his future son. (SPOILER END)
The main theme of the killing joke is that everyone is one bad day away from becoming the Joker.
The Killing Joke though a fan favourite for Joker's origin story is not canon and wasn't meant to be. There is some confusion because parts of TKJ, like Gordon's paralysis ended up being canon (until the New 52 sort of...).
In the current canon, the Joker's origin is completely myth, as in it's literally based on a old Gotham myth (similar to slenderman sort of thing). And his association with the Red Hood gang is really questionable too.
They might make it canon again with the 3 Jokers though. The "three" are probably from older canons. Happened with Superman in this canon.
Yeah they might, but I honestly hope they don't. I prefer the mystery, and that ultimately his past doesn't matter because it's the present Joker that's harming people.
Unless they changed it, it won't really be an origin story, it's an Elseworlds story. For those not familiar with DC, it's a story set in another world, out of the main continuity (or branching from it).
It means they can pull a lot of crazy stuff and get away with it. If you want some good examples of Elseworlds stories from DC, you should read Superman: Red Son (for the love of God don't read its Wiki article) or read/watch Batman: Gotham by Gaslight.
What I expect from this movie really is a short intro explaining what their Elseworlds are and how they can differ from the DCEU. Something simple so everyone can understand the concept (which should be fairly easy) with some snippets of comics/past movies flashing on the screen, then cut to the story of this Joker.
Just imagine the possibilities in the long run. They could have some movies starring Christian Bale, Affleck and Keaton fighting a common threat together created by the universes colliding or something. You can even do that with some no-name actors to tease a concept and see if the public is interested.
If done well, Elseworlds movies can be a goldmine and have the possibility to make hardcore and casual fans happy.
Edit: typos.