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The end of erotica? How Hollywood fell out of love with sex

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    Somebody
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    Hollywood didn't fall out of love with sex. They got out-competed by porn. Why is anyone going to get all atwitter over a second of Hollywood side-boob when you can find millions of hussies...

    Hollywood didn't fall out of love with sex. They got out-competed by porn.

    Why is anyone going to get all atwitter over a second of Hollywood side-boob when you can find millions of hussies getting it hardcore at Pornhub? And why would anyone pay for a second of Hollywood side-boob?

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      Bullmaestro
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      I think it's also because a lot of Hollywood movies that were based on raunchy novels turned out to be shit. Take for instance... the Fifty Shades trilogy. The first movie (Fifty Shades of Grey)...

      I think it's also because a lot of Hollywood movies that were based on raunchy novels turned out to be shit.

      Take for instance... the Fifty Shades trilogy. The first movie (Fifty Shades of Grey) earned a very low 25% rating on Rotten Tomatoes, 4.1/10 on IMDB and 46% on Metacritic. The sequels (Fifty Shades Darker and Fifty Shades Freed) were panned even worse by critics. The only reason anybody showed interest in Fifty Shades was because it was a kinky erotic novel, albeit a poorly written one by an untalented author who hastily reworked her erotic Twilight fanfic to include original characters instead.

      The sex scenes in Fifty Shades were about as tame as the MPAA would allow without slapping the movie with the highest possible NC-17 age rating.

      Which begs the question... why would you watch Fifty Shades when there is actual porn freely available on the internet.

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        mrbig
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        Wasn’t the 50 Shades book shit already?

        Wasn’t the 50 Shades book shit already?

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          vivaria
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          Anything sexual marketed towards mainstream audiences is going to be shit. We live in a sex-repressed society where it's shameful to talk freely and openly about our interests and desires. As a...

          Anything sexual marketed towards mainstream audiences is going to be shit. We live in a sex-repressed society where it's shameful to talk freely and openly about our interests and desires. As a result, sexual education and exploration unfortunately ends up as a niche thing. Outside of that niche, we're shown gaudy caricatures of what people think sex can be like instead of any real depth.

          Sex can be so, so, SO much more than most people are aware of. But, it feels like only the most curious and brave sex nerds are the ones who get to experience that. :v

          WAKE UP SHEEPLE! THE PORN ON PORNHUB IS CRAP! THE EROTICA IN YOUR CHEAP PULPY BOOKSTORE NOVEL IS CRAP! IT'S ALL CRAAAAAAAAP!

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            mundane_and_naive
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            Interesting. What are some of the less explored aspect of sex that you'd like to see? Do you recommend any fictions that tackle sex in nuanced ways?

            Interesting. What are some of the less explored aspect of sex that you'd like to see? Do you recommend any fictions that tackle sex in nuanced ways?

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              vivaria
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              It's hard to pin down any specific aspects (e.g. acts, positions, kinks, interests) because of just how much there is to explore. I mean, I'd be happy to see more of anything outside of...

              It's hard to pin down any specific aspects (e.g. acts, positions, kinks, interests) because of just how much there is to explore. I mean, I'd be happy to see more of anything outside of traditional porn tropes. The current state of mainstream sexuality feels very... limited? Even within purely vanilla sex, there's so much to geek out about that flies under most people's radars. Because of how wildly varying sexuality can be, you get people trying to mold themselves to fit an activity that doesn't work for them, rather than shaping the activity to fit the person.

              For a more general list that avoids specific (acts, positions, kinks), here are some lesser-seen tropes that I'd love to see more of (in media and in actual sex):

              • Honest and vulnerable self-exploration, for any and every aspect of sex. People trying new things (and talking about how they feel when they try them) without feeling shame from nonconformity.
              • People who feel comfortable in their own skin, regardless of how they look. Plus, more diversity in body types in media.
              • People who are conscious of (and invested in) the pleasure and comfort of their partners! ("How are they feeling? Are they enjoying themselves? What can I do to make sure they're enjoying themselves more?")
              • The normalization of sex aids (toys, lubes/oils/lotions, clothing, furniture) as exciting things to explore, rather than as an admission of failure in sexual prowess.
              • Healthier, safer portrayals of non-vanilla sex. (Rather than the, uh... borderline sexual assault in 50 Shades of Grey?) Discussions of (and continued respect towards) boundaries and consent!
              • More creative dirty talking! Everywhere I go, I get bludgeoned over the head with sneering, gaudy, crass, blunt language. Get dorky, get real!
              • More awkward and genuine moments, and less performative bravado.
              • Less shame for so-called "weird" kinks.
              • More wholesome, heartwarming, cozy lewdness. Even portrayals of "romantic love-making" tend to be... a pulpy, unbelievable version of romance. I want lewdness that makes me feel bubbly and warm, like I've just had the heartiest cup of hot cocoa.
              • More conversations about sex between platonic friends without it being weird.

              I'm not sure about recommendations for porn itself, but I'm a fan of the the YouTube channel Sexplanations for learning more about this sort of thing. I even bought a shirt to support them that says "STAY CURIOUS", which I think is a fantastic motto.

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              1. Akir
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                You're totally right. Most porn is just people doing sexual acts. But in reality, sex isn't just sex. Sex is communicative. Sex gives meaning and also is meaningful in and of itself.

                You're totally right. Most porn is just people doing sexual acts. But in reality, sex isn't just sex. Sex is communicative. Sex gives meaning and also is meaningful in and of itself.

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                JohnLeFou
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                It may sound weird but the romantic quirky sex in Deadpool was really endearing to me. They obviously did wild things and it was great, but they never took it so seriously it eclipsed their...

                It may sound weird but the romantic quirky sex in Deadpool was really endearing to me. They obviously did wild things and it was great, but they never took it so seriously it eclipsed their relationship and chemistry.

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                1. Somebody
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                  Like International Women's Day?

                  they never took it so seriously it eclipsed their relationship and chemistry.

                  Like International Women's Day?

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              3. Gaywallet
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                I feel like Netflix is really trying to explore this. Recent series that come to mind are bonding, special, and easy. While not all of these are specifically focused on sex itself (bonding more-so...

                I feel like Netflix is really trying to explore this. Recent series that come to mind are bonding, special, and easy. While not all of these are specifically focused on sex itself (bonding more-so than the latter two and easy exploring a lot more than just romance and sex) and all happen to be comedies, I feel like they're dipping their foot in the water of trying to explore modern sex culture in a "TV friendly" way.

                I'm not really all that big into porn, but it would not surprise me with modern levels of proliferation if there aren't websites out there focused on more "authentic" porn and porn which better explores what you're pointing out here.

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            2. Somebody
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              That's a dangerous question.

              That's a dangerous question.

    2. NaraVara
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      Most porn isn't actually that erotic though. There isn't anything like engagement with characters as anything more than stock caricatures and no attention to how flirting, attraction, or seduction...

      Hollywood didn't fall out of love with sex. They got out-competed by porn.

      Most porn isn't actually that erotic though. There isn't anything like engagement with characters as anything more than stock caricatures and no attention to how flirting, attraction, or seduction works. It's entirely T&A and penetration, but it's not really "sexy."

      In contrast, I know lots of people who specifically watch Outlander because of how sexy it is and there have been a plethora of articles about a specific scene in the latest season of Fleabag that seems to have a ton of viewers very hot and bothered. As near as I can figure it doesn't even involve anyone having sex.

      Edit: To put it more succinctly. Erotica is supposed to make you want to go and bang someone. Porn is mostly just there to give you something to touch yourself to. One is trying to develop or kindle the desire, the other is trying to slake it.

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