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Black Widow review and discussion

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  1. [4]
    moocow1452
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    Feel free to talk about the movie, what worked, what didn't, the release model, and the implications on the MCU. Liked: Florence Pugh as the new Romanoff. The Red Roomies could be interesting if...

    Feel free to talk about the movie, what worked, what didn't, the release model, and the implications on the MCU.

    Liked:

    • Florence Pugh as the new Romanoff.
    • The Red Roomies could be interesting if they wanted to bring in the newest Wasp, (Red Roomies is the title of the DCOM spinoff inevitably coming to Disney+)
    • I didn't mind that we were following a dead character who already died.
    • Premier Access is pretty nice for group parties, if tickets in your area are super inflated, or you just don't want to leave the house.
    • Also, nice to be in a theater again.

    Disliked:

    • You replace Taskmaster with a Terminator for 90% of the movie, and nothing changes. Not saying that women can't be brainwashed superhumans or they messed up the comics, but the reveal that Natasha specifically blew this girl up doesn't do a whole lot if they are cool after the crimson glitter works it's magic.
    • This movie could have easily come out 5 years ago, and I think it would have landed better. I get that you want to do to your base hit with Captain Marvel first, but B-Dubs is the character you had as a part of the original lineup, and the Red Roomies would have been interesting to revisit during the Snap.
    • Did the Avengers know that Natasha had a sister? How did Val know that Hawkeye was the person who "killed" her? Is there a leak on the Avengers?
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    1. [3]
      TheJorro
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      I was confused why Yelena would even believe this when her and Natasha had a conversation in Budapest that implied that Yelena was familiar with her relationship with (specifically) "Clint". I...

      Did the Avengers know that Natasha had a sister? How did Val know that Hawkeye was the person who "killed" her? Is there a leak on the Avengers?

      I was confused why Yelena would even believe this when her and Natasha had a conversation in Budapest that implied that Yelena was familiar with her relationship with (specifically) "Clint".

      I guess they're setting up for a heel face turn but it seems odd to do it with a character who we've already seen and know is good. It's like seeing the whole "secret sibling who misunderstood the situation and is trying to get revenge but eventually finds out the truth and switches side" trope from the other side, and it reminds me of this Simpsons meme image.

      I'm still also confused why they fought in Budapest in the first place.

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      1. hamstergeddon
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        Marvel's kind of brilliant at exploiting their fan's passion for characters. We all know how hard Clint fought to sacrifice himself so Natasha could live, but now a new fan favorite character has...

        Marvel's kind of brilliant at exploiting their fan's passion for characters. We all know how hard Clint fought to sacrifice himself so Natasha could live, but now a new fan favorite character has a vendetta against him for crimes he didn't commit. People get worked up about it, they tweet about it, free marketing for Marvel.

        Another good example is how everyone immediately hated John Walker after his brief appearance in Cap's suit.

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      2. Greg
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        I think Val's wording was something like "he's responsible for her death" - I can imagine there being some official report filed somewhere about how she died, probably including a guilt-ridden...

        I think Val's wording was something like "he's responsible for her death" - I can imagine there being some official report filed somewhere about how she died, probably including a guilt-ridden statement from a grieving Hawkeye, that's not so hard to view through a very negative lense in order to sell the story to Yelena that he let her die to save his own ass.

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  2. Greg
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    I thought it was fine, but not much more than that. Maybe I've been spoiled by the likes of Loki (which I'm just about to watch the finale of) and Thor Ragnarok, but it seemed like a pretty...

    I thought it was fine, but not much more than that. Maybe I've been spoiled by the likes of Loki (which I'm just about to watch the finale of) and Thor Ragnarok, but it seemed like a pretty by-the-numbers superhero story and not a huge amount more. Obviously they're all cheesy popcorn movies to some extent, and I unapologetically enjoy them for that, but some definitely have more wit, or creativity, or emotional impact than others.

    I did enjoy the family dynamic when the four of them got together, and I think Florence Pugh was brilliantly cast for an ongoing MCU role, but for whatever reason it didn't really draw me in like other films in the series have.

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