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Lula narrowly defeats Bolsonaro to win Brazil presidency again

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  1. [6]
    wycy
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    Lula has won. I don't expect Bolsonaro will go away quietly.

    Lula has won. I don't expect Bolsonaro will go away quietly.

    10 votes
    1. [2]
      TemulentTeatotaler
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      Brazil's Lula defeats Bolsonaro to win presidency again in stunning comeback Hope the transfer of power goes smoothly as possible.

      Brazil's Lula defeats Bolsonaro to win presidency again in stunning comeback

      Lula won 50.9% of votes compared with 49.1% for Bolsonaro, the Supreme Electoral Court said, declaring former president Lula the winner. The 77-year-old Lula's inauguration is scheduled for Jan. 1.

      Hope the transfer of power goes smoothly as possible.

      10 votes
      1. random
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        I expect that to be the case. Brazilian law is not at all permissive in that regard and the transmission of power is not at the discretion of the current president. Bolsonaro doesn't have the...

        Hope the transfer of power goes smoothly as possible.

        I expect that to be the case. Brazilian law is not at all permissive in that regard and the transmission of power is not at the discretion of the current president.

        Bolsonaro doesn't have the support of the media, even those that are traditionally in the right. He is also weak and incompetent.

        Additionally, one of the advantages of runoff elections is that there's not as much space to question the results. The people have spoken.

        7 votes
    2. [2]
      Adys
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      Woah. That's amazing news. Hey @random, you feeling a bit better? :)

      Woah. That's amazing news.

      Hey @random, you feeling a bit better? :)

      3 votes
      1. random
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        Much better, thanks. Although disgusted by the narrow margin. As a country, we have much to learn.

        Much better, thanks. Although disgusted by the narrow margin. As a country, we have much to learn.

        5 votes
  2. random
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    A curiosity: in Brazilian Portuguese, when you split the name "Jair" into syllables, you can form the expression "Já ir", which can be translated as "already go". Hence the chant "Tá na hora do do...

    Vice President-elect Geraldo Alckmin and campaign aides jumped up and down chanting, "It's time Jair, it's time to leave already," in a video circulating on social media.

    A curiosity: in Brazilian Portuguese, when you split the name "Jair" into syllables, you can form the expression "Já ir", which can be translated as "already go". Hence the chant "Tá na hora do do Jair, já ir embora" (it is time for Jair, just go away...). Reuters' translation was actually pretty good, given the inherent difficulties of translating wordplay.

    It's a jingle.

    8 votes
  3. random
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    Bolsonarist trucker blockades in Brazil could hit ag exports, farm group says.

    Bolsonarist trucker blockades in Brazil could hit ag exports, farm group says.

    Brazil's Federal Highway Police (PRF) said on Monday that truckers have partially or fully blocked roads in 12 states, up from the six states an independent truckers group had estimated earlier on Monday. Truckers are one of far-right leader Bolsonaro's key constituencies, and they have been known to cause economic chaos in Brazil when they shut down highways.

    7 votes
  4. random
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    The Superior Electoral Court (TSE), which runs Brazil's elections, played down reports that the Federal Highway Police (PRF) had conducted illegal roadblocks of buses carrying voters across the poor northeast where Lula's support is strongest.

    Critics allege the PRF has become overtly pro-Bolsonaro, and that officers were seeking to hinder voting in Lula strongholds.

    3 votes
  5. [4]
    EgoEimi
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    Hypothetically, if Brazil did elect someone who vowed to cut down the rest of the Amazon rainforest and replace it with soy farms and cattle ranches, given the catastrophic consequences for our...

    Hypothetically, if Brazil did elect someone who vowed to cut down the rest of the Amazon rainforest and replace it with soy farms and cattle ranches, given the catastrophic consequences for our climate and biosphere, would the international community have a moral obligation to declare war on and invade Brazil?

    It's a horrible thought, but it's something I ponder about, seeing that more or less half of the Brazilian electorate is apparently okay with that.

    In another vein of thought, it's high time that we treat environmental assets as humanity's collective treasures, and pay countries to maintain them.

    3 votes
    1. random
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      That would be a violent assault on our sovereignty, and not one I'd be inclined to approve. US and Europe devastated their own ecosystems, profited from the devastation of many more, and are still...
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      That would be a violent assault on our sovereignty, and not one I'd be inclined to approve. US and Europe devastated their own ecosystems, profited from the devastation of many more, and are still doing so. Maybe we should invade North-America to stop fracking.

      If the US decided to invade Brazil to save the Amazon, you can fully expect me to fight back.

      It is also profoundly upsetting to see that the only time Brazil is viewed as worthy of mention is when it comes to the interests of North Americans and Europeans. Wanna help the Amazon? Try to remember that there are people in this country too. IDK, at least fake an interest, a humanistic concern. Make us into allies[1]. That is the way.

      Finally, why should I believe that North-Americans would be any better at preserving the Amazon? Historically, the preservation of the colonies is not a major concern in imperialist nations. Maybe the only reason they're not devastating more is that there's not much left.

      [1] Which would not be hard. Brazilians love the US.

      21 votes
    2. ICN
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      No, the moral obligation would be to pay Brazil for the preservation of the rainforest, recognizing it for the value it provides. In addition to avoiding the horrors of war, this would likely be...

      Hypothetically, if Brazil did elect someone who vowed to cut down the rest of the Amazon rainforest and replace it with soy farms and cattle ranches, given the catastrophic consequences for our climate and biosphere, would the international community have a moral obligation to declare war on and invade Brazil?

      No, the moral obligation would be to pay Brazil for the preservation of the rainforest, recognizing it for the value it provides. In addition to avoiding the horrors of war, this would likely be the cheaper option as well.

      12 votes
    3. rosco
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      Are we going to invade Canada as well? We practice deforestation in similar ways in the United States and Canada, we just did most of it before the 21st century. Zoom into Mt Shasta in California...

      Hypothetically, if Brazil did elect someone who vowed to cut down the rest of the Amazon rainforest and replace it with soy farms and cattle ranches, given the catastrophic consequences for our climate and biosphere, would the international community have a moral obligation to declare war on and invade Brazil?

      Are we going to invade Canada as well? We practice deforestation in similar ways in the United States and Canada, we just did most of it before the 21st century. Zoom into Mt Shasta in California and look at the fun checkerboard we've created. I'm not trying to strawman on behalf of Bolsonaro, but I think it's prudent to make headway on reducing domestic old growth deforestation before invading Brazil.

      The other consideration is which markets are financing and purchasing those foods/products. Giants like Unilever (United Kingdom) and Cargill (USA) are responsible for peddling those products and are subject to federal regulation.

      6 votes
  6. random
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    It seems Reuters updated the original title, would it be possible for a mod to change the title here as well? Thanks.

    It seems Reuters updated the original title, would it be possible for a mod to change the title here as well? Thanks.