Not just surreal, it's potentially ungovernable. How exactly do MP's hold him to account as he won't take a seat in the Commons? It smacks of a last gasp of air before a drowning from these...
Not just surreal, it's potentially ungovernable.
How exactly do MP's hold him to account as he won't take a seat in the Commons?
It smacks of a last gasp of air before a drowning from these absolute croutons in the Conservative party.
It is not totally unprecedented. A member of the House of Lords has been the Foreign Secretary before. This article discusses times similar things have happened in UK politics before. It is very...
It is not totally unprecedented. A member of the House of Lords has been the Foreign Secretary before. This article discusses times similar things have happened in UK politics before. It is very unusual, but unlikely to be truly ungovernable. The Speaker of the House, Lindsay Hoyle, raised the issue of David Cameron's accountability to the house today, mentioning that he will work with the government to see what they propose. My best guess is this will involve a junior member being the mouthpiece in the Commons, though with the state of international affairs at the moment, I'm unsure of if this will be good enough.
In any case, this is a pretty bad idea in my opinion. I can only see this leading to even more fractures in the party between the centrists and the far right. The far right have lost their most vocal mouthpiece and we already know it doesn't take much for the Tories to start tearing at each others throats.
I hear this phrase "holding to account" a lot. People particularly seem to complain about Labour's inability to do it. But what does it mean? The governing party just do whatever they want...
How exactly do MP's hold him to account as he won't take a seat in the Commons?
I hear this phrase "holding to account" a lot. People particularly seem to complain about Labour's inability to do it. But what does it mean? The governing party just do whatever they want regardless of what gets said on the other side of the aisle. The only thing that seems to make the Tories change their mind is the threats and howling from their own backbenches and that happens largely outside the chamber.
When being "held to account" MPs and Ministers just spin and weasel and avoid the question and then life goes on as if nothing had happened. There seems to be no meaningful account for people to be held to, certainly not any more. The days where members would resign in disgrace when caught breaking the law, being openly racist, enacting horrendously stupid policies that killed hundreds of thousands Boris looking at you etc, etc are long gone.
My worry about Cameron being back in the halls of power is that he was in my opinion the last truly intelligent Conservative of the modern era (stupid Brexit vote notwithstanding and I didn't say the bar of intelligence was particularly high) and he's a very dangerous political operator.
It smacks of a last gasp of air before a drowning from these absolute croutons in the Conservative party.
While I dearly, dearly hope this is the case, one should never underestimate the Labour Party's ability to utterly bungle an election.
I'd love to tell you that what it means, but mostly it means how do you control someone where you've got a dotted line to... not a direct one? In this context anyway. Agreed. Though I suspect the...
I'd love to tell you that what it means, but mostly it means how do you control someone where you've got a dotted line to... not a direct one? In this context anyway.
While I dearly, dearly hope this is the case, one should never underestimate the Labour Party's ability to utterly bungle an election.
Agreed. Though I suspect the Tories will implode before then.
I wish. They always seem to pull together just right before that happens though. This time they're lacking a divisive figure who could lead any kind of split if it were to happen. Boris or maybe...
Agreed. Though I suspect the Tories will implode before then.
I wish. They always seem to pull together just right before that happens though. This time they're lacking a divisive figure who could lead any kind of split if it were to happen. Boris or maybe even May could probably have done it over brexit if they'd wanted, but I don't think Braverman has the support for that kind of move, she's too rabid for too many.
As vicious as the infighting is right now, we have to remember that the only thing the Tories hate more than each other is everybody outside the party so I'm not holding out much hope.
I'm known for my witty and insulting remarks like that. Comes with the British genetics, along with bland food and drunk idiots. For reference, our insults relate around changing words from what...
I'm known for my witty and insulting remarks like that. Comes with the British genetics, along with bland food and drunk idiots.
For reference, our insults relate around changing words from what they're supposed to be used for into what they aren't. Which is why if you said "Mate, you're absolutely carparked" to a Brit, they'd understand that they're drunk.
Utterly off topic, we've been binging "The Great British Bake Off", which is mostly too kind to have the full lexicon of U.K. insult. But "omnishambles", courtesy of The Thick of It, is one of the...
Utterly off topic, we've been binging "The Great British Bake Off", which is mostly too kind to have the full lexicon of U.K. insult.
But "omnishambles", courtesy of The Thick of It, is one of the greatest gifts Britain has ever bequeathed to our common political lexicon, and who knew the Conservatives would hold their own competition to see which pol could best demonstrate the principle?
Omnishambles is used regularly at workplaces when you look at departments and just go "What in the hell?" I find my go to "Stop being an absolute submarine" leaves people joyfully baffled.
Omnishambles is used regularly at workplaces when you look at departments and just go "What in the hell?"
I find my go to "Stop being an absolute submarine" leaves people joyfully baffled.
Glad to see they're not out of touch, bringing back the herald of austerity during the worst cost-of-living crisis in memory - and appointing a GB News presenter to oversee the party's vital...
Glad to see they're not out of touch, bringing back the herald of austerity during the worst cost-of-living crisis in memory - and appointing a GB News presenter to oversee the party's vital anti-woke agenda.
I can't possibly speak to the ins and outs and quirks of British politics, just wanna chime in and say that this exact same thing happened last year in Denmark. Centrist coalition government...
I can't possibly speak to the ins and outs and quirks of British politics, just wanna chime in and say that this exact same thing happened last year in Denmark.
Centrist coalition government formed with a Social Democrat as PM, and the neo-liberal PM from 2009-2011 and 2015-2019 is now foreign minister. It was very strange to begin with to not see him at the top, but it's been a year now and it seems to be working out - to be determined how long it lasts though
I actually can't believe he's back. Happy that Braverman's gone, but this would be like if Trump hired Bush as his Secretary of State. It's surreal.
Not just surreal, it's potentially ungovernable.
How exactly do MP's hold him to account as he won't take a seat in the Commons?
It smacks of a last gasp of air before a drowning from these absolute croutons in the Conservative party.
It is not totally unprecedented. A member of the House of Lords has been the Foreign Secretary before. This article discusses times similar things have happened in UK politics before. It is very unusual, but unlikely to be truly ungovernable. The Speaker of the House, Lindsay Hoyle, raised the issue of David Cameron's accountability to the house today, mentioning that he will work with the government to see what they propose. My best guess is this will involve a junior member being the mouthpiece in the Commons, though with the state of international affairs at the moment, I'm unsure of if this will be good enough.
In any case, this is a pretty bad idea in my opinion. I can only see this leading to even more fractures in the party between the centrists and the far right. The far right have lost their most vocal mouthpiece and we already know it doesn't take much for the Tories to start tearing at each others throats.
Interesting, thanks for that mate. I didn't know it was an occurance before, it did raise my eyebrows though!
I hear this phrase "holding to account" a lot. People particularly seem to complain about Labour's inability to do it. But what does it mean? The governing party just do whatever they want regardless of what gets said on the other side of the aisle. The only thing that seems to make the Tories change their mind is the threats and howling from their own backbenches and that happens largely outside the chamber.
When being "held to account" MPs and Ministers just spin and weasel and avoid the question and then life goes on as if nothing had happened. There seems to be no meaningful account for people to be held to, certainly not any more. The days where members would resign in disgrace when caught breaking the law, being openly racist, enacting horrendously stupid policies that killed hundreds of thousands Boris looking at you etc, etc are long gone.
My worry about Cameron being back in the halls of power is that he was in my opinion the last truly intelligent Conservative of the modern era (stupid Brexit vote notwithstanding and I didn't say the bar of intelligence was particularly high) and he's a very dangerous political operator.
While I dearly, dearly hope this is the case, one should never underestimate the Labour Party's ability to utterly bungle an election.
I'd love to tell you that what it means, but mostly it means how do you control someone where you've got a dotted line to... not a direct one? In this context anyway.
Agreed. Though I suspect the Tories will implode before then.
I wish. They always seem to pull together just right before that happens though. This time they're lacking a divisive figure who could lead any kind of split if it were to happen. Boris or maybe even May could probably have done it over brexit if they'd wanted, but I don't think Braverman has the support for that kind of move, she's too rabid for too many.
As vicious as the infighting is right now, we have to remember that the only thing the Tories hate more than each other is everybody outside the party so I'm not holding out much hope.
Sorry mate, I'm going to have to culturally appropriate "absolute crouton" as a descriptor
I was going to go for the fusion epithet "gormless blancmange" where Cameron is concerned, given that whole Brexit debacle.
I'm known for my witty and insulting remarks like that. Comes with the British genetics, along with bland food and drunk idiots.
For reference, our insults relate around changing words from what they're supposed to be used for into what they aren't. Which is why if you said "Mate, you're absolutely carparked" to a Brit, they'd understand that they're drunk.
Which is wicked.
Utterly off topic, we've been binging "The Great British Bake Off", which is mostly too kind to have the full lexicon of U.K. insult.
But "omnishambles", courtesy of The Thick of It, is one of the greatest gifts Britain has ever bequeathed to our common political lexicon, and who knew the Conservatives would hold their own competition to see which pol could best demonstrate the principle?
Omnishambles is used regularly at workplaces when you look at departments and just go "What in the hell?"
I find my go to "Stop being an absolute submarine" leaves people joyfully baffled.
Glad to see they're not out of touch, bringing back the herald of austerity during the worst cost-of-living crisis in memory - and appointing a GB News presenter to oversee the party's vital anti-woke agenda.
I'm so happy we went through 7 years of pain to kick out those unelected officials in Brussels.
Great job guys.
I can't possibly speak to the ins and outs and quirks of British politics, just wanna chime in and say that this exact same thing happened last year in Denmark.
Centrist coalition government formed with a Social Democrat as PM, and the neo-liberal PM from 2009-2011 and 2015-2019 is now foreign minister. It was very strange to begin with to not see him at the top, but it's been a year now and it seems to be working out - to be determined how long it lasts though