The more word of this gets out, the better. This, not a bunch of wannabe saviors of the republic throwing a riot, was the primary threat to democracy caused by Trump’s refusal to face reality....
The more word of this gets out, the better. This, not a bunch of wannabe saviors of the republic throwing a riot, was the primary threat to democracy caused by Trump’s refusal to face reality.
Congress dropped the ball when they impeached with a single charge of insurrection instead of acting like a competent DA and stacking charges related to the fake electors and calls to the Georgia Sec. State to “find” votes.
eh, I don't really think Congress dropped the ball there. Impeachment was never going to work because the Republicans would have blocked any attempt at actual consequences, regardless of how...
eh, I don't really think Congress dropped the ball there. Impeachment was never going to work because the Republicans would have blocked any attempt at actual consequences, regardless of how strong the case is. In that situation impeachment is more symbolic than anything. And the actual people in charge of stacking charges and finding evidence of further misconduct (and, importantly, using plea deals to turn collaborators into useful future witnesses) for actual cases where criminal liability is on the line are currently doing just that.
I actually disagree. I think there was a window after Jan 6th where enough Republicans in the senate would have voted to convict. The few days, up to a week, after Jan 6th was probably the only...
I actually disagree. I think there was a window after Jan 6th where enough Republicans in the senate would have voted to convict. The few days, up to a week, after Jan 6th was probably the only time since winning the nomination in 2016 that Trump's hold over the party was weakened to the point where it could have been broken if circumstances had been played better. Instead, House democrats slow-walked the impeachment and instead waited about 2 weeks for Pence to consider invoking the 25th amendment. This was a massive miscalculation in my opinion. In that time the party re-coalesced around Trump and found their talking points. If they had impeached immediately after Jan 6th, I absolutely think the Senate would have convicted.
That's fair, you may well be right! I definitely got a "everything is futile" vibe at the time but that's the Dems excuse whenever they don't do something tbf so it might just be me not knowing...
That's fair, you may well be right! I definitely got a "everything is futile" vibe at the time but that's the Dems excuse whenever they don't do something tbf so it might just be me not knowing enough of the political details there.
It's too bad that the investigation started 2 years too late, so we have a "race" to bring people to justice before an election when they obviously should have been tried and probably convicted a...
It's too bad that the investigation started 2 years too late, so we have a "race" to bring people to justice before an election when they obviously should have been tried and probably convicted a while ago. Also there still hasn't been accountability for the congresspeople who were part of the conspiracy. A large part of the national Republican party participated in election fraud and then just went back to their normal days after they failed. In fact they continue to participate in this fraud daily by supporting Trump.
For example, when Nikki Haley publicly says that she would pardon Trump, she is a participant in fraud and insurrection.
And from my vantage, the public at large does not seem to care to hold these people accountable. It doesn’t even seem like Democrats in office really want to, either. Maybe it’s my naivety with...
And from my vantage, the public at large does not seem to care to hold these people accountable. It doesn’t even seem like Democrats in office really want to, either.
Maybe it’s my naivety with politics in general but like, if half of the managers in the company I work for did something not as egregious they wouldn’t be employed. Let alone share a room with the rest of the company, invited to debate, institute new company policies, take a salary, etc. for years with no repercussions.
Such is late stage capitalism and the general unaccountability of elected officials across the world, I guess.
Visit r/capitolconsequences and you will find people invested in holding the bad actors accountable including at the highest level. Right wing media bubble has been a problem in the US for a long...
Visit r/capitolconsequences and you will find people invested in holding the bad actors accountable including at the highest level.
Right wing media bubble has been a problem in the US for a long time. Rush Limbaugh was fomenting hate and there were people before him.
Sadly, I agree with you. From my understanding, the Senate GOP may have done the right thing, but House Republicians would be too worried about getting primaried to vote to convict or remove. I...
Impeachment was never going to work because the Republicans would have blocked any attempt at actual consequences
Sadly, I agree with you. From my understanding, the Senate GOP may have done the right thing, but House Republicians would be too worried about getting primaried to vote to convict or remove.
I wonder if there was a semi-deliberate startegy on the part of the congressional Dems not to push with full force and reveal the illegitimacy of their institution. Push one big charge and admit it was too high a bar when it failed rather than stack charges with obvious guilty verdicts buried and then have people ignore Congress when those charges are acquitted. Personally, I wish they would have embraced such accelerationist brinksmanship. Risk giving Xi and Putin everything because the US suddenly found itself too busy with domestic terrorism rather than go easy to avoid such a constitutional crisis. Too bad their corporate donors (and elderly voters who rely on positive stock returns to avoid starvation) would never allow that.
the actual people in charge of stacking charges and finding evidence of further misconduct (and, importantly, using plea deals to turn collaborators into useful future witnesses) for actual cases where criminal liability is on the line are currently doing just that
Here's hoping we get some convictions and prison time. Some political commentors I follow are most hopeful about the Georgia cases because they have the least ability to be pardoned (whether it's via Trump pardoning himself or by a state govenor pardoning him for political points).
You're mistaken. The House brings articles of impeachment and prosecutes. It's the Senate who tries impeachments, and on the case of Trump's second, all but 7 Republicans voted to acquit. This...
You're mistaken. The House brings articles of impeachment and prosecutes. It's the Senate who tries impeachments, and on the case of Trump's second, all but 7 Republicans voted to acquit. This after the GOP forced the vote after 4 days and no trial to speak of. It was a mockery of the Constitution and our system of government.
The more word of this gets out, the better. This, not a bunch of wannabe saviors of the republic throwing a riot, was the primary threat to democracy caused by Trump’s refusal to face reality.
Congress dropped the ball when they impeached with a single charge of insurrection instead of acting like a competent DA and stacking charges related to the fake electors and calls to the Georgia Sec. State to “find” votes.
eh, I don't really think Congress dropped the ball there. Impeachment was never going to work because the Republicans would have blocked any attempt at actual consequences, regardless of how strong the case is. In that situation impeachment is more symbolic than anything. And the actual people in charge of stacking charges and finding evidence of further misconduct (and, importantly, using plea deals to turn collaborators into useful future witnesses) for actual cases where criminal liability is on the line are currently doing just that.
I actually disagree. I think there was a window after Jan 6th where enough Republicans in the senate would have voted to convict. The few days, up to a week, after Jan 6th was probably the only time since winning the nomination in 2016 that Trump's hold over the party was weakened to the point where it could have been broken if circumstances had been played better. Instead, House democrats slow-walked the impeachment and instead waited about 2 weeks for Pence to consider invoking the 25th amendment. This was a massive miscalculation in my opinion. In that time the party re-coalesced around Trump and found their talking points. If they had impeached immediately after Jan 6th, I absolutely think the Senate would have convicted.
That's fair, you may well be right! I definitely got a "everything is futile" vibe at the time but that's the Dems excuse whenever they don't do something tbf so it might just be me not knowing enough of the political details there.
It's too bad that the investigation started 2 years too late, so we have a "race" to bring people to justice before an election when they obviously should have been tried and probably convicted a while ago. Also there still hasn't been accountability for the congresspeople who were part of the conspiracy. A large part of the national Republican party participated in election fraud and then just went back to their normal days after they failed. In fact they continue to participate in this fraud daily by supporting Trump.
For example, when Nikki Haley publicly says that she would pardon Trump, she is a participant in fraud and insurrection.
The investigations began in 2020. It just takes a long time to investigate a president and to dot those i's and cross those t's.
And from my vantage, the public at large does not seem to care to hold these people accountable. It doesn’t even seem like Democrats in office really want to, either.
Maybe it’s my naivety with politics in general but like, if half of the managers in the company I work for did something not as egregious they wouldn’t be employed. Let alone share a room with the rest of the company, invited to debate, institute new company policies, take a salary, etc. for years with no repercussions.
Such is late stage capitalism and the general unaccountability of elected officials across the world, I guess.
Visit r/capitolconsequences and you will find people invested in holding the bad actors accountable including at the highest level.
Right wing media bubble has been a problem in the US for a long time. Rush Limbaugh was fomenting hate and there were people before him.
Sadly, I agree with you. From my understanding, the Senate GOP may have done the right thing, but House Republicians would be too worried about getting primaried to vote to convict or remove.
I wonder if there was a semi-deliberate startegy on the part of the congressional Dems not to push with full force and reveal the illegitimacy of their institution. Push one big charge and admit it was too high a bar when it failed rather than stack charges with obvious guilty verdicts buried and then have people ignore Congress when those charges are acquitted. Personally, I wish they would have embraced such accelerationist brinksmanship. Risk giving Xi and Putin everything because the US suddenly found itself too busy with domestic terrorism rather than go easy to avoid such a constitutional crisis. Too bad their corporate donors (and elderly voters who rely on positive stock returns to avoid starvation) would never allow that.
Here's hoping we get some convictions and prison time. Some political commentors I follow are most hopeful about the Georgia cases because they have the least ability to be pardoned (whether it's via Trump pardoning himself or by a state govenor pardoning him for political points).
You're mistaken. The House brings articles of impeachment and prosecutes. It's the Senate who tries impeachments, and on the case of Trump's second, all but 7 Republicans voted to acquit. This after the GOP forced the vote after 4 days and no trial to speak of. It was a mockery of the Constitution and our system of government.
Then congress failed. If what you describe is reality (and it is), then congress dropped the ball and failed.
Oh I agree, but I don't think the failure was necessarily a tactical one there. I think it was much more deeply rooted than that.
How this guy is not in prison yet completely escapes me. This is as bad as it gets. How much more process do we need?
Every accusation a confession