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"Trump believes there's a coup": Freaked by the Times Op-Ed, the President is seeing enemies everywhere

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  1. [11]
    demifiend
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    The fact that they're trying to wait out Trump's term instead of actively working to remove him under the 25th Amendment suggests that having Mike Pence as President would be worse.

    If Trump's own team thinks he is incapable of governing, then they should be actively exploring the 25th amendment, rather than vaguebooking him through the New York Times.

    The fact that they're trying to wait out Trump's term instead of actively working to remove him under the 25th Amendment suggests that having Mike Pence as President would be worse.

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      burkaman
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      I'm pretty sure they would love President Pence, but they know using the 25th amendment would effectively destroy their party and ruin any mid to long term plans.

      I'm pretty sure they would love President Pence, but they know using the 25th amendment would effectively destroy their party and ruin any mid to long term plans.

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      1. demifiend
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        Demography is destiny. Unless they can con poor black and Hispanic people the way they've conned working-class Euro-Americans, the Republican party doesn't have a future and they damned well know...

        but they know using the 25th amendment would effectively destroy their party and ruin any mid to long term plans.

        Demography is destiny. Unless they can con poor black and Hispanic people the way they've conned working-class Euro-Americans, the Republican party doesn't have a future and they damned well know it.

        However, I don't see the GOP being particularly successful at hoodwinking poor blacks and Hispanics. They might get the odd sucker like Ben Carson or Ted Cruz, but most black and Hispanic people know that the GOP might as well be the KKK.

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      nic
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      America knew well before the election that Trump was a self aggrandizing liar who had a long history of failed business ventures and a sordid history of screwing the little guy out of pennies. Yet...

      America knew well before the election that Trump was a self aggrandizing liar who had a long history of failed business ventures and a sordid history of screwing the little guy out of pennies.

      Yet the Republicans loved him enough to get out and vote him in. Which is odd, given his multiple wives, lack of religious adherence, love for Russia, and so many other things at odds with the traditional platform.

      There were quotes of folks saying "I'm sick of things the way they are, Trump is the only guy talking about the little guy, and I don't care if the whole thing burns down it is time for a change."

      He didn't become unqualified, he was always unqualified. The Republican party tried their best to take him out of the primary, yet American voted him in anyway And in spite of everything, the Republican base still loves him.

      The Republican party knew on day one that Trump was unqualified, but they can't depose a democratically elected leader unless significantly new information comes to light.

      What I find unconscionable is that the Republican party have worked to undermine the investigation into Trumps collaboration with Russia.

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        patience_limited
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        I'd like to correct the misapprehension that "America" voted for Trump. Approximately 26% of the eligible electorate chose him, he lost the popular vote, and only the historical relic of America's...

        I'd like to correct the misapprehension that "America" voted for Trump. Approximately 26% of the eligible electorate chose him, he lost the popular vote, and only the historical relic of America's "peculiar institution" ensured his victory.

        This situation was the apotheosis of a long-standing Republican strategy of efforts to dilute votes, diminish turnout, disenfranchise voters, and create obstacles to enfranchisement.

        https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/how-the-gop-rigs-elections-121907/

        There is a profoundly anti-democratic ideology influencing the Republican Party. For all the official posturing, the majority of that Party supports Trump and finds him convenient.

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      2. demifiend
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        I think there's a reason for that. I don't think it's just Trump. I think the Republican Party as an organization is in bed with Russia, and a few other tyrant-ridden countries like Saudi Arabia....

        What I find unconscionable is that the Republican party have worked to undermine the investigation into Trumps collaboration with Russia.

        I think there's a reason for that. I don't think it's just Trump. I think the Republican Party as an organization is in bed with Russia, and a few other tyrant-ridden countries like Saudi Arabia. I doubt that anybody in the GOP wants investigators following the money and seeing just how thoroughly corrupt the Republicans are lest the organization face RICO Act prosecution.

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    3. [3]
      teaearlgraycold
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      I think it's really just that they want to stay in the shadows pulling the strings.

      I think it's really just that they want to stay in the shadows pulling the strings.

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        demifiend
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        That's also a valid interpretation, though less charitable. Mine is based on a trend I've seen in Vice Presidents. Most of them are the sort of people you don't want taking over. Its almost as if...

        That's also a valid interpretation, though less charitable. Mine is based on a trend I've seen in Vice Presidents. Most of them are the sort of people you don't want taking over. Its almost as if they were chosen to discourage people from engaging in direct action.

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        1. hotcouch
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          That's definitely part of it, it would be politically stupid to have a VP be fully capable. Good point. I don't really think anyone likes Pence lol.

          That's definitely part of it, it would be politically stupid to have a VP be fully capable. Good point.

          I don't really think anyone likes Pence lol.

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    4. moocow1452
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      For the Republicans, absolutely. If you take the op-ed at face value that they love the power, hate the guy, then removing him wouldn't be something they could spin without the agreement of Trump,...

      For the Republicans, absolutely. If you take the op-ed at face value that they love the power, hate the guy, then removing him wouldn't be something they could spin without the agreement of Trump, meaning all that discord between the policy conservatives and the populace wing of the party becomes very apparent, very quickly. Trump is the truce, and if he gets shown the door by his own people, the Republicans are without a base, and the crowd that thinks that everyone is conspiring against them are proven correct.

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  2. BlackLedger
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    I have seen the same phenomenon in corporations when the executive level isn't engaged. Trump will never be able to fix this if he maintains his reported habits of golf, TV watching, etc.

    I have seen the same phenomenon in corporations when the executive level isn't engaged. Trump will never be able to fix this if he maintains his reported habits of golf, TV watching, etc.

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      1. burkaman
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        Fire them. He is still the president.

        what recourse does Trump have?

        Fire them. He is still the president.

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    2. hotcouch
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      Yeah, it's a very soft coup. Considering the overall direction of the administration isn't really being changed, it doesn't reassure me whatsoever.

      Yeah, it's a very soft coup. Considering the overall direction of the administration isn't really being changed, it doesn't reassure me whatsoever.

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    3. unknown user
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      As someone from a country which has seen all sorts of coups, I can say that shis's not a coup, this is people doing what they are supposed to. If the constitution of the US has provided the...

      As someone from a country which has seen all sorts of coups, I can say that shis's not a coup, this is people doing what they are supposed to. If the constitution of the US has provided the mechanisms for the crew to not obey a stupid president, count yourself very lucky. It is a very good provision of the lawmakers of those times, if that's how it is.