Germany here, the results are shocking but sadly not surprising... How can a right wing party like the AFD gain so many votes. They even had a lot of bad press right before the vote. What...
Germany here, the results are shocking but sadly not surprising...
How can a right wing party like the AFD gain so many votes. They even had a lot of bad press right before the vote. What especially saddens me that they gained estimated 17% of votes from 16-24 year olds, which puts them at the first place next to CDU.
There is some good news. Poland, the country that had a very strong right wing orientation for many years, managed a shift towards the left.
Your Czech neighbour here. Yes, results are not surprising, sadly. It seems people can be easily swinged the way you want just by saying the right words - not even thinking if what you say can be...
Your Czech neighbour here. Yes, results are not surprising, sadly.
It seems people can be easily swinged the way you want just by saying the right words - not even thinking if what you say can be accomplished. I guess this is politics in its true form - manipulating people to get you to power.
Dutchy here, and yes that's been our result in the parliamentary election we had last year as well. Ironically enough, given the dumpsterfire the coalition agreement is it's basically asking how...
It seems people can be easily swinged the way you want just by saying the right words - not even thinking if what you say can be accomplished. I guess this is politics in its true form - manipulating people to get you to power.
Dutchy here, and yes that's been our result in the parliamentary election we had last year as well. Ironically enough, given the dumpsterfire the coalition agreement is it's basically asking how long it'll take until the coalition here will fall apart.
My biggest worry right now isn't what happens when they get elected, but when they can't follow up on some of their most ridiculous promises...
One small bright spot in the results ... Hungary actually just moved significantly to the Left. Orban's Fidesz party gave up 2 (3?) seats in Parliament, and the new opposition Tisza party picked...
One small bright spot in the results ... Hungary actually just moved significantly to the Left. Orban's Fidesz party gave up 2 (3?) seats in Parliament, and the new opposition Tisza party picked up 7 (8?) seats which are pledged to ally with EPP.
One oddity -- IDK the reason for this ... one Fidesz MEP is--at least currently--allying with Tisza and EPP, against the rest of the Fidesz group ... so, I'm not sure if that truly "counts" as an EPP vote, or if it is some short-term, temporary spat within Fidesz.
The actual voting percentages are even more noteworthy. Fidesz got 44%, the lowest it's gotten in decades, while Tisza (a political party that didn't even exist 6 months ago) picked up 30%.
Tisza isn't left, they're center-right (they're trying to target the same people Fidesz is). The Hungarian Left effectively completely collapsed, DK is the only one who got into the EP with 8%.
Tisza isn't left, they're center-right (they're trying to target the same people Fidesz is). The Hungarian Left effectively completely collapsed, DK is the only one who got into the EP with 8%.
For Hungarian politics, this remains a significant move to "the Left" ... it's relative, of course, but it's better than Fidesz. Still not sure what I think of the new guy (Peter Magyar), but...
For Hungarian politics, this remains a significant move to "the Left" ... it's relative, of course, but it's better than Fidesz.
Still not sure what I think of the new guy (Peter Magyar), but almost anyone would be better than Orban.
Tisza replaced the left, not Fidesz. Convincing opposition voters to vote for the strongest party that can beat Orbán is the easy part. The hard part is convincing the Fidesz cult that makes up...
Tisza replaced the left, not Fidesz. Convincing opposition voters to vote for the strongest party that can beat Orbán is the easy part.
The hard part is convincing the Fidesz cult that makes up 40-45% of the population. Hungary is still where it was before, politically, except Gyurcsány & the old opposition is now out of the picture.
There's reason to be hopeful, to be sure, but let's wait before the core Fidesz voters switch in 2026 before we talk about a shift.
Funny enough, seems like the most 'reasonable' coalition now is a more centrist one, with EPP, Renew and S&D. Partially due to the far-right taking wind out of the EPP and ECR. Doesn't mean I'm...
Funny enough, seems like the most 'reasonable' coalition now is a more centrist one, with EPP, Renew and S&D. Partially due to the far-right taking wind out of the EPP and ECR.
Doesn't mean I'm not highly worried. I get the feeling that Brexit and Trump were really a prologue for what's to come.
Yeah, the centre held far better than expected. The far right gained, but honestly not that much. The really worrying part of the collapse of the Greens in Germany, and just France as a whole.
Yeah, the centre held far better than expected. The far right gained, but honestly not that much. The really worrying part of the collapse of the Greens in Germany, and just France as a whole.
I saw some headlines that Spain's youth population voting patterns are becoming increasingly divided by gender. I remember reading a lot of great points on Tildes about how young men are...
I saw some headlines that Spain's youth population voting patterns are becoming increasingly divided by gender. I remember reading a lot of great points on Tildes about how young men are struggling to find their place in a changing society and looking for easy answers that far-right politics offer.
I imagine this is particularly difficult in Spain which is a very patriarchal society historically but has a strong and rebellious youth.
Germany here, the results are shocking but sadly not surprising...
How can a right wing party like the AFD gain so many votes. They even had a lot of bad press right before the vote. What especially saddens me that they gained estimated 17% of votes from 16-24 year olds, which puts them at the first place next to CDU.
There is some good news. Poland, the country that had a very strong right wing orientation for many years, managed a shift towards the left.
Your Czech neighbour here. Yes, results are not surprising, sadly.
It seems people can be easily swinged the way you want just by saying the right words - not even thinking if what you say can be accomplished. I guess this is politics in its true form - manipulating people to get you to power.
Dutchy here, and yes that's been our result in the parliamentary election we had last year as well. Ironically enough, given the dumpsterfire the coalition agreement is it's basically asking how long it'll take until the coalition here will fall apart.
My biggest worry right now isn't what happens when they get elected, but when they can't follow up on some of their most ridiculous promises...
One small bright spot in the results ... Hungary actually just moved significantly to the Left. Orban's Fidesz party gave up 2 (3?) seats in Parliament, and the new opposition Tisza party picked up 7 (8?) seats which are pledged to ally with EPP.
One oddity -- IDK the reason for this ... one Fidesz MEP is--at least currently--allying with Tisza and EPP, against the rest of the Fidesz group ... so, I'm not sure if that truly "counts" as an EPP vote, or if it is some short-term, temporary spat within Fidesz.
The actual voting percentages are even more noteworthy. Fidesz got 44%, the lowest it's gotten in decades, while Tisza (a political party that didn't even exist 6 months ago) picked up 30%.
Edit: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/hungarys-orban-sees-weakest-support-decades-eu-vote-opposition-tisza-surges-2024-06-09/
Tisza isn't left, they're center-right (they're trying to target the same people Fidesz is). The Hungarian Left effectively completely collapsed, DK is the only one who got into the EP with 8%.
For Hungarian politics, this remains a significant move to "the Left" ... it's relative, of course, but it's better than Fidesz.
Still not sure what I think of the new guy (Peter Magyar), but almost anyone would be better than Orban.
The guy's name is basically "Peter Hungarian"? Bit on the nose isn't it.
Yeah, IDK what's up with the opposition names. The last guy (currently the mayor of Budapest) is named "George Christmas".
Tisza replaced the left, not Fidesz. Convincing opposition voters to vote for the strongest party that can beat Orbán is the easy part.
The hard part is convincing the Fidesz cult that makes up 40-45% of the population. Hungary is still where it was before, politically, except Gyurcsány & the old opposition is now out of the picture.
There's reason to be hopeful, to be sure, but let's wait before the core Fidesz voters switch in 2026 before we talk about a shift.
Funny enough, seems like the most 'reasonable' coalition now is a more centrist one, with EPP, Renew and S&D. Partially due to the far-right taking wind out of the EPP and ECR.
Doesn't mean I'm not highly worried. I get the feeling that Brexit and Trump were really a prologue for what's to come.
Yeah, the centre held far better than expected. The far right gained, but honestly not that much. The really worrying part of the collapse of the Greens in Germany, and just France as a whole.
I saw some headlines that Spain's youth population voting patterns are becoming increasingly divided by gender. I remember reading a lot of great points on Tildes about how young men are struggling to find their place in a changing society and looking for easy answers that far-right politics offer.
I imagine this is particularly difficult in Spain which is a very patriarchal society historically but has a strong and rebellious youth.