I've been following this whole situation kind of closely, not just because it's an awful situation but because the speed and stupidity in the response from the right is as astounding as it is...
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I've been following this whole situation kind of closely, not just because it's an awful situation but because the speed and stupidity in the response from the right is as astounding as it is disgusting. I've seen it all over Reddit, including in a place I used to mod (aside, fuck that place) and I wanted to provide sources about what I've found about this piece of shit with the caveat that we may learn more in the future
Started his own security firm however, NPR has investigated these claims and cannot verify the full legitimacy of this security firm and it's now pretty likely it was an aspiration rather than an actual functioning company. It appears he worked primarily food services and recently was delivering bodies to morgues.
Boelter himself appears to have no history working in law enforcement, the military or private security.
...one long-time friend described parts of Boelter's narrative about his life as "fantasy."....NPR found no record of the firm having clients or providing any services. A call to the company's phone number connected to what appears to be a private phone line, not a business. The address listed in incorporation papers appeared to be that of a law firm specializing in divorce litigation.
There are also claims that he has multiple advanced degrees from Cardinal Stritch University, which closed in 2023. I question the veracity of these claims since the place is closed and this fucker has a history of lying and possibly over stating his successes.
Evangelical "who opposed abortion and went to church “every Sunday”. He also went on missions to Congo and delivered multiple sermons there, stating in clips that "Many churches in America didn’t listen to Jesus. They’re divided...The churches are so messed up, they don’t know abortion is wrong, many churches.” This makes his targeting of pro-choice advocates and abortion clinics more "understandable". Additional information reveals he studied practical theology at charismatic bible college. For those who are not familiar with this style of evangelicalism:
Charismatic Christians believe in supernatural, spiritual gifts of the Holy Spirit such as speaking in tongues, prophets and divine healing.
He was appointed to a MN workforce board, including an appointment under Walz. However, despite the assertions by idiots on the right, this appears to be an apolitical board that includes people "on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Walz" and the board doesn't interact with governor on a regular basis. I have questions about why the shooter was on this board if things like his security business are not as they seem
Boelter’s friend and roommate David Carlson told reporters on Saturday that Boelter voted for President Donald Trump and was a “strong supporter” of the president but was “hardly ever talking about politics lately.”
Random tidbit but maybe something useful to demonstrate knowledge on the material, his name is pronounced like "belter"
He described Boelter as “the gun type,” saying he liked to go shooting at the range. But he said he never thought he would use guns to hurt people.
Probably fits more into his conspiracy theories but in his ramblings, had mentioned killing Sen. Klobuchar and having Walz replace her? I'm sure the right will seize on this to make him seem like he's on the left.
Despite the right spreading this stupid false narrative, what appears to NOT be the case is
Boelter was not a close ally of Walz nor was he an appointee in the way a chief of staff or Attorney General may be
There isn't any evidence at this point that Boelter is a Democrat. Instead there's a longer history demonstrating the opposite
Boelter was registered as a Republican when he lived in Oklahoma in the early 2000s...The DFL also shared a survey response from Boelter in 2012 saying he would vote for Republicans down the ticket...
and
Boelter voted in the March 2024 Minnesota Republican presidential primary, according to records obtained by the Minnesota Star Tribune
Boelter's wife was not an intern. In typical right wing fashion, they can't seem to understand that multiple people can have the same name. This appears to be more AI slop
The Walz intern is a different person who appears to be married to someone else, the spokesperson said.
Grok, X’s AI bot, said Vance Boelter’s wife, Jennifer, worked at CentraCare. St. Cloud-based CentraCare indeed does employ a doctor named Jennifer Boelter. However, she is not married to Vance Boelter.
There's no evidence suggesting Boelter did this because of the removal of health care from undocumented adults, in fact evidence suggests the opposite
Boelter also shot and injured Hoffman and his wife, even though Hoffman, unlike Hortman, voted against the bill to remove health coverage.
Struggling financially and it appears a lot of his ambitions never came to fruition. My personal view is Boelter is a "i have a plan" loser. You know the type, the ones who keep talking about grand ambitions but have neither the competency or ability to actually work on making those things come true. If he did any of the things he claimed he did, like "400 farmers and 500 fishermen and hoped to develop a network of 1,000 female motorcycle taxis in Congo", his resume would look completely different.
Yeah I've seen most of these narratives and the debunking, appreciate having them in one place. I do think the security LLC may have let him more easily purchase the "police style" SUV - which...
Yeah I've seen most of these narratives and the debunking, appreciate having them in one place. I do think the security LLC may have let him more easily purchase the "police style" SUV - which aligns with what the interviewed friend said, that he'd bought some cars.
I'm very curious about the wife having passports and firearm/ammo and "relatives" (kids?) in the car and that he was noted as "being in communication with others" or something else vague along those lines while the search was ongoing.
I assume that's a typo, but now I want to figure out a good context to use that phrase. And thanks for collecting this information! I was talking to my mom about this, and when I mentioned the bit...
Evangelical ties as he's a born against Christian.
I assume that's a typo, but now I want to figure out a good context to use that phrase.
And thanks for collecting this information! I was talking to my mom about this, and when I mentioned the bit about people claiming his wife interns for Walz, she asked if he even has a wife. Apparently she thought he was single? It kind of highlights just how egregious all the conflicting misinformation is, it's hard to even confirm the most basic facts without doing a deeper dive.
The private security stuff is the case of the story running way faster than diligent research. It seems like yes, he started a private security company. Or at least, he tried to recently. The...
The private security stuff is the case of the story running way faster than diligent research. It seems like yes, he started a private security company. Or at least, he tried to recently. The website was made on Wix last year and only 3 employees are listed -- two of whom are him and his wife. Even a little digging into this makes it seem amateur at best. If I were looking into hiring private security, my fraud alarms would be going off after spending more than 5 minutes on their website.
There's also something I saw online - that may since have been scrubbed - identifying him as the CEO of two security companies in two different African nations. Similarly to the new website and...
There's also something I saw online - that may since have been scrubbed - identifying him as the CEO of two security companies in two different African nations. Similarly to the new website and much of his publicly listed "experience" there was no corroborating evidence.
It aligns with him maybe having easier access to purchasing the vehicles but not much else.
It's really easy to legally establish a business, it doesn't require anything than a small sum of money to file. While it seems like maybe he was interested in legitimately running this business,...
It's really easy to legally establish a business, it doesn't require anything than a small sum of money to file. While it seems like maybe he was interested in legitimately running this business, it's also not hard to believe he just set it up to make these purchases with such a heinous plan in mind the whole time.
I don't think it's uncommon for some items to have some sale restrictions that end up being like business to business sales, but they otherwise have no licensing requirements. So it's an avenue for people to easily acquire some semi-restricted materials without having an intention of using them for business purposes.
Yeah that's what I figured, the equipment is accessible but would be easier and raise fewer red flags to access those things as a "security company" even if it was just on paper.
Yeah that's what I figured, the equipment is accessible but would be easier and raise fewer red flags to access those things as a "security company" even if it was just on paper.
Accused Minnesota shooter allegedly went to homes of two other officials I was not able to read this whole article because my subscription lapsed but hopefully someone can snag an archive or gift...
I was not able to read this whole article because my subscription lapsed but hopefully someone can snag an archive or gift link. Seemed like new info
From the NYT live thread linked above
After shooting State Senator John Hoffman and his wife and fleeing from the police after exchanging gunfire, the suspect went to the home of another state representative and rang the doorbell at 2:24 a.m., still disguised as a police officer, the U.S. attorney said. But the lawmaker was not home, so the suspect eventually left. He went to the home of another lawmaker, as well, the prosecutor said at a news conference.
What the actual fuck? The man had a literal hit list. What does it take to be charged with first degree murder in Minnesota?
The suspect was charged with two counts of second-degree murder and two counts of attempted second-degree murder, according to a criminal complaint obtained by The New York Times.
What the actual fuck? The man had a literal hit list. What does it take to be charged with first degree murder in Minnesota?
I assume the prosecutors chose this because it's easier to prove in court. But damn if a hit list doesn't constitute enough evidence for premeditation idk what does.
I assume the prosecutors chose this because it's easier to prove in court. But damn if a hit list doesn't constitute enough evidence for premeditation idk what does.
This is just preliminary, they needed a charge to hold him. They'll add everything else later. I wouldn't read anything into this. (Some states do have unusual rules about what the degrees mean...
This is just preliminary, they needed a charge to hold him. They'll add everything else later. I wouldn't read anything into this. (Some states do have unusual rules about what the degrees mean with murder, but idk Minnesota's.)
They don't seem to want to share the info in the "manifesto"/list yet so that may also be why.
Edit: from the NYT thread, a 1st degree murder charge requires a grand jury indictment in MN, meaning it'll almost certainly happen but takes more time.
Also there are apparently hundreds of pages in his notebook to go through, probably while attempting to interrogate him
Link to NYT live thread, since the previous one was nuked by the author. If there's some way to merge the remaining comments, I know I'd appreciate it. Idk that this inherently counts as politics...
Link to NYT live thread, since the previous one was nuked by the author. If there's some way to merge the remaining comments, I know I'd appreciate it.
Idk that this inherently counts as politics but I'm usually wrong.
Given how, if the perpetrator of the crime(whether the suspect is indeed the same person or not) would get away with this, the consequences would be nothing more than disastrous at least for the...
Idk that this inherently counts as politics but I'm usually wrong.
Given how, if the perpetrator of the crime(whether the suspect is indeed the same person or not) would get away with this, the consequences would be nothing more than disastrous at least for the US but potentially for world stability, I'd say that this is news enough to be outside the usual megathreads or even previous non-megathread.
I know the current administration doesn't exactly respect the rule of law to say the least, but I hope for you all there that this will have consequences nonetheless. Because as much as I recommended stocking up supplies in the previous thread I seriously hope that was an overreaction on my part.
The federal structure of our country serves us well here. Minnesota the state has charged him with murder. The governor has the right to pardon those crimes (but he won't). President Trump has no...
The federal structure of our country serves us well here.
Minnesota the state has charged him with murder. The governor has the right to pardon those crimes (but he won't). President Trump has no right with regard to criminal charges brought by one of the states.
I've been following this whole situation kind of closely, not just because it's an awful situation but because the speed and stupidity in the response from the right is as astounding as it is disgusting. I've seen it all over Reddit, including in a place I used to mod (aside, fuck that place) and I wanted to provide sources about what I've found about this piece of shit with the caveat that we may learn more in the future
There are also claims that he has multiple advanced degrees from Cardinal Stritch University, which closed in 2023. I question the veracity of these claims since the place is closed and this fucker has a history of lying and possibly over stating his successes.
He was appointed to a MN workforce board, including an appointment under Walz. However, despite the assertions by idiots on the right, this appears to be an apolitical board that includes people "on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Walz" and the board doesn't interact with governor on a regular basis. I have questions about why the shooter was on this board if things like his security business are not as they seem
Trump supporter
Despite the right spreading this stupid false narrative, what appears to NOT be the case is
Boelter was not a close ally of Walz nor was he an appointee in the way a chief of staff or Attorney General may be
There isn't any evidence at this point that Boelter is a Democrat. Instead there's a longer history demonstrating the opposite
and
Conspiratorial and appears to be a prepper.
Struggling financially and it appears a lot of his ambitions never came to fruition. My personal view is Boelter is a "i have a plan" loser. You know the type, the ones who keep talking about grand ambitions but have neither the competency or ability to actually work on making those things come true. If he did any of the things he claimed he did, like "400 farmers and 500 fishermen and hoped to develop a network of 1,000 female motorcycle taxis in Congo", his resume would look completely different.
edit : final update
Yeah I've seen most of these narratives and the debunking, appreciate having them in one place. I do think the security LLC may have let him more easily purchase the "police style" SUV - which aligns with what the interviewed friend said, that he'd bought some cars.
I'm very curious about the wife having passports and firearm/ammo and "relatives" (kids?) in the car and that he was noted as "being in communication with others" or something else vague along those lines while the search was ongoing.
Please do!
I assume that's a typo, but now I want to figure out a good context to use that phrase.
And thanks for collecting this information! I was talking to my mom about this, and when I mentioned the bit about people claiming his wife interns for Walz, she asked if he even has a wife. Apparently she thought he was single? It kind of highlights just how egregious all the conflicting misinformation is, it's hard to even confirm the most basic facts without doing a deeper dive.
The private security stuff is the case of the story running way faster than diligent research. It seems like yes, he started a private security company. Or at least, he tried to recently. The website was made on Wix last year and only 3 employees are listed -- two of whom are him and his wife. Even a little digging into this makes it seem amateur at best. If I were looking into hiring private security, my fraud alarms would be going off after spending more than 5 minutes on their website.
There's also something I saw online - that may since have been scrubbed - identifying him as the CEO of two security companies in two different African nations. Similarly to the new website and much of his publicly listed "experience" there was no corroborating evidence.
It aligns with him maybe having easier access to purchasing the vehicles but not much else.
It's really easy to legally establish a business, it doesn't require anything than a small sum of money to file. While it seems like maybe he was interested in legitimately running this business, it's also not hard to believe he just set it up to make these purchases with such a heinous plan in mind the whole time.
I don't think it's uncommon for some items to have some sale restrictions that end up being like business to business sales, but they otherwise have no licensing requirements. So it's an avenue for people to easily acquire some semi-restricted materials without having an intention of using them for business purposes.
Yeah that's what I figured, the equipment is accessible but would be easier and raise fewer red flags to access those things as a "security company" even if it was just on paper.
Accused Minnesota shooter allegedly went to homes of two other officials
I was not able to read this whole article because my subscription lapsed but hopefully someone can snag an archive or gift link. Seemed like new info
From the NYT live thread linked above
What the actual fuck? The man had a literal hit list. What does it take to be charged with first degree murder in Minnesota?
I assume the prosecutors chose this because it's easier to prove in court. But damn if a hit list doesn't constitute enough evidence for premeditation idk what does.
This is just preliminary, they needed a charge to hold him. They'll add everything else later. I wouldn't read anything into this. (Some states do have unusual rules about what the degrees mean with murder, but idk Minnesota's.)
They don't seem to want to share the info in the "manifesto"/list yet so that may also be why.
Edit: from the NYT thread, a 1st degree murder charge requires a grand jury indictment in MN, meaning it'll almost certainly happen but takes more time.
Also there are apparently hundreds of pages in his notebook to go through, probably while attempting to interrogate him
Link to NYT live thread, since the previous one was nuked by the author. If there's some way to merge the remaining comments, I know I'd appreciate it.
Idk that this inherently counts as politics but I'm usually wrong.
Given how, if the perpetrator of the crime(whether the suspect is indeed the same person or not) would get away with this, the consequences would be nothing more than disastrous at least for the US but potentially for world stability, I'd say that this is news enough to be outside the usual megathreads or even previous non-megathread.
I know the current administration doesn't exactly respect the rule of law to say the least, but I hope for you all there that this will have consequences nonetheless. Because as much as I recommended stocking up supplies in the previous thread I seriously hope that was an overreaction on my part.
Take care.
The federal structure of our country serves us well here.
Minnesota the state has charged him with murder. The governor has the right to pardon those crimes (but he won't). President Trump has no right with regard to criminal charges brought by one of the states.
The initial thread was moved from news to society so apparently it's not news. I'm only a tiny bit buiter