Yeah I've seen most of these narratives and the debunking, appreciate having them in one place. I do think the security LLC may have let him more easily purchase the "police style" SUV - which...
Yeah I've seen most of these narratives and the debunking, appreciate having them in one place. I do think the security LLC may have let him more easily purchase the "police style" SUV - which aligns with what the interviewed friend said, that he'd bought some cars.
I'm very curious about the wife having passports and firearm/ammo and "relatives" (kids?) in the car and that he was noted as "being in communication with others" or something else vague along those lines while the search was ongoing.
I assume that's a typo, but now I want to figure out a good context to use that phrase. And thanks for collecting this information! I was talking to my mom about this, and when I mentioned the bit...
Evangelical ties as he's a born against Christian.
I assume that's a typo, but now I want to figure out a good context to use that phrase.
And thanks for collecting this information! I was talking to my mom about this, and when I mentioned the bit about people claiming his wife interns for Walz, she asked if he even has a wife. Apparently she thought he was single? It kind of highlights just how egregious all the conflicting misinformation is, it's hard to even confirm the most basic facts without doing a deeper dive.
The private security stuff is the case of the story running way faster than diligent research. It seems like yes, he started a private security company. Or at least, he tried to recently. The...
The private security stuff is the case of the story running way faster than diligent research. It seems like yes, he started a private security company. Or at least, he tried to recently. The website was made on Wix last year and only 3 employees are listed -- two of whom are him and his wife. Even a little digging into this makes it seem amateur at best. If I were looking into hiring private security, my fraud alarms would be going off after spending more than 5 minutes on their website.
There's also something I saw online - that may since have been scrubbed - identifying him as the CEO of two security companies in two different African nations. Similarly to the new website and...
There's also something I saw online - that may since have been scrubbed - identifying him as the CEO of two security companies in two different African nations. Similarly to the new website and much of his publicly listed "experience" there was no corroborating evidence.
It aligns with him maybe having easier access to purchasing the vehicles but not much else.
It's really easy to legally establish a business, it doesn't require anything than a small sum of money to file. While it seems like maybe he was interested in legitimately running this business,...
It's really easy to legally establish a business, it doesn't require anything than a small sum of money to file. While it seems like maybe he was interested in legitimately running this business, it's also not hard to believe he just set it up to make these purchases with such a heinous plan in mind the whole time.
I don't think it's uncommon for some items to have some sale restrictions that end up being like business to business sales, but they otherwise have no licensing requirements. So it's an avenue for people to easily acquire some semi-restricted materials without having an intention of using them for business purposes.
Yeah that's what I figured, the equipment is accessible but would be easier and raise fewer red flags to access those things as a "security company" even if it was just on paper.
Yeah that's what I figured, the equipment is accessible but would be easier and raise fewer red flags to access those things as a "security company" even if it was just on paper.
Accused Minnesota shooter allegedly went to homes of two other officials I was not able to read this whole article because my subscription lapsed but hopefully someone can snag an archive or gift...
I was not able to read this whole article because my subscription lapsed but hopefully someone can snag an archive or gift link. Seemed like new info
From the NYT live thread linked above
After shooting State Senator John Hoffman and his wife and fleeing from the police after exchanging gunfire, the suspect went to the home of another state representative and rang the doorbell at 2:24 a.m., still disguised as a police officer, the U.S. attorney said. But the lawmaker was not home, so the suspect eventually left. He went to the home of another lawmaker, as well, the prosecutor said at a news conference.
What the actual fuck? The man had a literal hit list. What does it take to be charged with first degree murder in Minnesota?
The suspect was charged with two counts of second-degree murder and two counts of attempted second-degree murder, according to a criminal complaint obtained by The New York Times.
What the actual fuck? The man had a literal hit list. What does it take to be charged with first degree murder in Minnesota?
I assume the prosecutors chose this because it's easier to prove in court. But damn if a hit list doesn't constitute enough evidence for premeditation idk what does.
I assume the prosecutors chose this because it's easier to prove in court. But damn if a hit list doesn't constitute enough evidence for premeditation idk what does.
This is just preliminary, they needed a charge to hold him. They'll add everything else later. I wouldn't read anything into this. (Some states do have unusual rules about what the degrees mean...
This is just preliminary, they needed a charge to hold him. They'll add everything else later. I wouldn't read anything into this. (Some states do have unusual rules about what the degrees mean with murder, but idk Minnesota's.)
They don't seem to want to share the info in the "manifesto"/list yet so that may also be why.
Edit: from the NYT thread, a 1st degree murder charge requires a grand jury indictment in MN, meaning it'll almost certainly happen but takes more time.
Also there are apparently hundreds of pages in his notebook to go through, probably while attempting to interrogate him
Link to NYT live thread, since the previous one was nuked by the author. If there's some way to merge the remaining comments, I know I'd appreciate it. Idk that this inherently counts as politics...
Link to NYT live thread, since the previous one was nuked by the author. If there's some way to merge the remaining comments, I know I'd appreciate it.
Idk that this inherently counts as politics but I'm usually wrong.
Given how, if the perpetrator of the crime(whether the suspect is indeed the same person or not) would get away with this, the consequences would be nothing more than disastrous at least for the...
Idk that this inherently counts as politics but I'm usually wrong.
Given how, if the perpetrator of the crime(whether the suspect is indeed the same person or not) would get away with this, the consequences would be nothing more than disastrous at least for the US but potentially for world stability, I'd say that this is news enough to be outside the usual megathreads or even previous non-megathread.
I know the current administration doesn't exactly respect the rule of law to say the least, but I hope for you all there that this will have consequences nonetheless. Because as much as I recommended stocking up supplies in the previous thread I seriously hope that was an overreaction on my part.
The federal structure of our country serves us well here. Minnesota the state has charged him with murder. The governor has the right to pardon those crimes (but he won't). President Trump has no...
The federal structure of our country serves us well here.
Minnesota the state has charged him with murder. The governor has the right to pardon those crimes (but he won't). President Trump has no right with regard to criminal charges brought by one of the states.
Yeah I've seen most of these narratives and the debunking, appreciate having them in one place. I do think the security LLC may have let him more easily purchase the "police style" SUV - which aligns with what the interviewed friend said, that he'd bought some cars.
I'm very curious about the wife having passports and firearm/ammo and "relatives" (kids?) in the car and that he was noted as "being in communication with others" or something else vague along those lines while the search was ongoing.
Please do!
I assume that's a typo, but now I want to figure out a good context to use that phrase.
And thanks for collecting this information! I was talking to my mom about this, and when I mentioned the bit about people claiming his wife interns for Walz, she asked if he even has a wife. Apparently she thought he was single? It kind of highlights just how egregious all the conflicting misinformation is, it's hard to even confirm the most basic facts without doing a deeper dive.
The private security stuff is the case of the story running way faster than diligent research. It seems like yes, he started a private security company. Or at least, he tried to recently. The website was made on Wix last year and only 3 employees are listed -- two of whom are him and his wife. Even a little digging into this makes it seem amateur at best. If I were looking into hiring private security, my fraud alarms would be going off after spending more than 5 minutes on their website.
There's also something I saw online - that may since have been scrubbed - identifying him as the CEO of two security companies in two different African nations. Similarly to the new website and much of his publicly listed "experience" there was no corroborating evidence.
It aligns with him maybe having easier access to purchasing the vehicles but not much else.
It's really easy to legally establish a business, it doesn't require anything than a small sum of money to file. While it seems like maybe he was interested in legitimately running this business, it's also not hard to believe he just set it up to make these purchases with such a heinous plan in mind the whole time.
I don't think it's uncommon for some items to have some sale restrictions that end up being like business to business sales, but they otherwise have no licensing requirements. So it's an avenue for people to easily acquire some semi-restricted materials without having an intention of using them for business purposes.
Yeah that's what I figured, the equipment is accessible but would be easier and raise fewer red flags to access those things as a "security company" even if it was just on paper.
Accused Minnesota shooter allegedly went to homes of two other officials
I was not able to read this whole article because my subscription lapsed but hopefully someone can snag an archive or gift link. Seemed like new info
From the NYT live thread linked above
What the actual fuck? The man had a literal hit list. What does it take to be charged with first degree murder in Minnesota?
I assume the prosecutors chose this because it's easier to prove in court. But damn if a hit list doesn't constitute enough evidence for premeditation idk what does.
This is just preliminary, they needed a charge to hold him. They'll add everything else later. I wouldn't read anything into this. (Some states do have unusual rules about what the degrees mean with murder, but idk Minnesota's.)
They don't seem to want to share the info in the "manifesto"/list yet so that may also be why.
Edit: from the NYT thread, a 1st degree murder charge requires a grand jury indictment in MN, meaning it'll almost certainly happen but takes more time.
Also there are apparently hundreds of pages in his notebook to go through, probably while attempting to interrogate him
Link to NYT live thread, since the previous one was nuked by the author. If there's some way to merge the remaining comments, I know I'd appreciate it.
Idk that this inherently counts as politics but I'm usually wrong.
Given how, if the perpetrator of the crime(whether the suspect is indeed the same person or not) would get away with this, the consequences would be nothing more than disastrous at least for the US but potentially for world stability, I'd say that this is news enough to be outside the usual megathreads or even previous non-megathread.
I know the current administration doesn't exactly respect the rule of law to say the least, but I hope for you all there that this will have consequences nonetheless. Because as much as I recommended stocking up supplies in the previous thread I seriously hope that was an overreaction on my part.
Take care.
The federal structure of our country serves us well here.
Minnesota the state has charged him with murder. The governor has the right to pardon those crimes (but he won't). President Trump has no right with regard to criminal charges brought by one of the states.
The initial thread was moved from news to society so apparently it's not news. I'm only a tiny bit buiter