Besides due process issues, this is the most common sense takeaway from the uptick in ICE activity. People can debate immigration policy and how we should find and deport illegal immigrants. But...
Besides due process issues, this is the most common sense takeaway from the uptick in ICE activity. People can debate immigration policy and how we should find and deport illegal immigrants. But outside of exceptional cases law enforcement shouldn’t be a masked operation. These people should either show their faces or find work they don’t need to hide from.
Being doxed and having their lives and families threatened. I don’t know if this is factually true, as I have not seen any direct evidence of it. I just know that is the official story....
Being doxed and having their lives and families threatened. I don’t know if this is factually true, as I have not seen any direct evidence of it. I just know that is the official story.
Typically, when ICE publicly releases photographs of the arrests of foreign nationals who are in the United States illegally, federal agents are often shown not facing the camera or their faces are blurred, a practice of shielding their identities that is not new and goes back several years to previous administrations.
For Lyons, the increased threats made on federal agents and officers come as assaults against ICE officers are up 400 percent since this time period last year.
“They are wearing those masks because we ran an operation with the Secret Service where we arrested someone that was going online, taking their photos, posting their families’, their kids’ Instagram, their kids’ Facebooks and targeting them,” Lyons said Monday.
Good. People whom are making a living of tearing people's lives apart for a lack of paperwork should feel the same fear they inflict on others.
where we arrested someone that was going online, taking their photos, posting their families’, their kids’ Instagram, their kids’ Facebooks and targeting them.
Good. People whom are making a living of tearing people's lives apart for a lack of paperwork should feel the same fear they inflict on others.
While I do emotionally agree, should they feel the same fear if they’re doing something you agree with? I’m all aboard the idea that the default should be that a masked arrest is treated as a...
While I do emotionally agree, should they feel the same fear if they’re doing something you agree with?
I’m all aboard the idea that the default should be that a masked arrest is treated as a crime, but advocating for people to be afraid to do things you disagree with is a common belief on the other side of the spectrum as well.
I have no problem with people who act like the Nazi SS/gestapo being afraid to act like Nazis. At some point there is a line between people should be able to do things they like and they should be...
I have no problem with people who act like the Nazi SS/gestapo being afraid to act like Nazis. At some point there is a line between people should be able to do things they like and they should be condemned and not tolerated for doing something.
What I do have a problem with is that people who doxx tend not to stay at just the person they are upset with but will harass others just assocaited with them (who may just as well dislike their relative and what he/she is doing as well).
There will be exceptions where hiding their faces is acceptable. Like how sometimes you need to call in SWAT, but your average police response should not come equipped with assault rifles and tanks.
There will be exceptions where hiding their faces is acceptable. Like how sometimes you need to call in SWAT, but your average police response should not come equipped with assault rifles and tanks.
Generally, broadly, I adhere to the idea that you get back threefold what you put out in the world. So no, people whom are not destroying people's lives don't deserve doxxing. People who are, do.
Generally, broadly, I adhere to the idea that you get back threefold what you put out in the world.
So no, people whom are not destroying people's lives don't deserve doxxing. People who are, do.
How about when it comes to officers hunting down cartel members? They are without doubt destroying the lives of those members families whom might be totally innocent and not involved in the narco...
How about when it comes to officers hunting down cartel members? They are without doubt destroying the lives of those members families whom might be totally innocent and not involved in the narco trade. Those officers are always masked because of the risk of retribution by other cartel members whom feel just like you do. I think we need to be really careful here, just because you believe illegal immigrants lives are being destroyed, there are people who believe the same thing about cartel members lives.
Agreed. The problem is that mob mentality is hard to control and already they are attacking family members. Some of who might actually even really disapprove of ICE or even their relative (saw...
Agreed. The problem is that mob mentality is hard to control and already they are attacking family members. Some of who might actually even really disapprove of ICE or even their relative (saw several people on Reddit talk about a shitty relative they knew in ICE as proof of how bad people in ICE are. Should they suffer because they had an asshole relative that they can't control who joined ICE?).
Refusing to provide ID as a cop while making arrests is already illegal in the US, this draft is just putting lipstick on a pig - and only if Republicans permit it to pass through congress. The...
Refusing to provide ID as a cop while making arrests is already illegal in the US, this draft is just putting lipstick on a pig - and only if Republicans permit it to pass through congress.
The problem is the Trump administration's support of ICE's systemic lawless behaviour. Passing more laws won't solve your problem when your problem is outlaws.
I’m not an expert, but I thought cops were only required to identify themselves by law in some US states. Is there a federal law or regulation that requires this for all state and federal LEOs?
I’m not an expert, but I thought cops were only required to identify themselves by law in some US states. Is there a federal law or regulation that requires this for all state and federal LEOs?
I'm not an expert, and my source is "I heard it on the internet somewhere". Soooo maybe I'm overconfident about it. But honestly if it isn't the law then that's just plain stupid. And to...
I'm not an expert, and my source is "I heard it on the internet somewhere". Soooo maybe I'm overconfident about it. But honestly if it isn't the law then that's just plain stupid. And to repeat/clarify, I'm talking about cops making arrests (or doing other only-legal-as-a-cop actions) being required to identify themselves.
If anyone can claim they're a cop and then legally have to be treated as a cop without proof they're a cop, then 1) people will start impersonating cops to do crimes (e.g. kidnapping) without resistance, and 2) people will be charged with a crime for obvious self-defence situations of the above.
Besides due process issues, this is the most common sense takeaway from the uptick in ICE activity. People can debate immigration policy and how we should find and deport illegal immigrants. But outside of exceptional cases law enforcement shouldn’t be a masked operation. These people should either show their faces or find work they don’t need to hide from.
I think some would get doxxed. But I don’t think they’d be in physical danger. They’d face social repercussions.
Being doxed and having their lives and families threatened. I don’t know if this is factually true, as I have not seen any direct evidence of it. I just know that is the official story.
https://www.newsweek.com/ice-agents-personal-details-database-los-angeles-protests-deportation-2083277
https://www.boston25news.com/news/local/ice-agents-doxed-social-media-wear-masks-after-receiving-death-threats-director-says/2NIC6OZ6XRGMXDRYLWLIKJ66GU/?outputType=amp
Good. People whom are making a living of tearing people's lives apart for a lack of paperwork should feel the same fear they inflict on others.
While I do emotionally agree, should they feel the same fear if they’re doing something you agree with?
I’m all aboard the idea that the default should be that a masked arrest is treated as a crime, but advocating for people to be afraid to do things you disagree with is a common belief on the other side of the spectrum as well.
I have no problem with people who act like the Nazi SS/gestapo being afraid to act like Nazis. At some point there is a line between people should be able to do things they like and they should be condemned and not tolerated for doing something.
What I do have a problem with is that people who doxx tend not to stay at just the person they are upset with but will harass others just assocaited with them (who may just as well dislike their relative and what he/she is doing as well).
There will be exceptions where hiding their faces is acceptable. Like how sometimes you need to call in SWAT, but your average police response should not come equipped with assault rifles and tanks.
Don’t disagree at all but I don’t think that was the vibe of the post I read responding to
Generally, broadly, I adhere to the idea that you get back threefold what you put out in the world.
So no, people whom are not destroying people's lives don't deserve doxxing. People who are, do.
How about when it comes to officers hunting down cartel members? They are without doubt destroying the lives of those members families whom might be totally innocent and not involved in the narco trade. Those officers are always masked because of the risk of retribution by other cartel members whom feel just like you do. I think we need to be really careful here, just because you believe illegal immigrants lives are being destroyed, there are people who believe the same thing about cartel members lives.
Agreed. The problem is that mob mentality is hard to control and already they are attacking family members. Some of who might actually even really disapprove of ICE or even their relative (saw several people on Reddit talk about a shitty relative they knew in ICE as proof of how bad people in ICE are. Should they suffer because they had an asshole relative that they can't control who joined ICE?).
People are impersonating ICE, wearing masks to commit crimes
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Refusing to provide ID as a cop while making arrests is already illegal in the US, this draft is just putting lipstick on a pig - and only if Republicans permit it to pass through congress.
The problem is the Trump administration's support of ICE's systemic lawless behaviour. Passing more laws won't solve your problem when your problem is outlaws.
I’m not an expert, but I thought cops were only required to identify themselves by law in some US states. Is there a federal law or regulation that requires this for all state and federal LEOs?
I'm not an expert, and my source is "I heard it on the internet somewhere". Soooo maybe I'm overconfident about it. But honestly if it isn't the law then that's just plain stupid. And to repeat/clarify, I'm talking about cops making arrests (or doing other only-legal-as-a-cop actions) being required to identify themselves.
If anyone can claim they're a cop and then legally have to be treated as a cop without proof they're a cop, then 1) people will start impersonating cops to do crimes (e.g. kidnapping) without resistance, and 2) people will be charged with a crime for obvious self-defence situations of the above.