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Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney’s speech to World Economic Forum

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  1. [8]
    chocobean
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    Alt title: Link is the full transcript and video of the English parts of Carney’s speech. There is a French part in the beginning, not sure if these English portion which follows already...

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    Prime Minister Mark Carney gave a forceful speech Tuesday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on the “new world order” and how middle powers like Canada can benefit by working together.

    Link is the full transcript and video of the English parts of Carney’s speech. There is a French part in the beginning, not sure if these English portion which follows already translated or skipped.

    Interesting point: some names are omitted, and one proper noun in particular only mentioned once.

    Some quotes:

    In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called “The Power of the Powerless,” and in it he asked a simple question: how did the communist system sustain itself?

    And his answer began with a greengrocer.

    Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window: “Workers of the world unite.” He doesn’t believe in it. No one does. But he places the sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along. And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists — not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals they privately know to be false.

    Havel called this living within a lie. The system’s power comes not from its truth, but from everyone’s willingness to perform as if it were true. And its fragility comes from the same source. When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion begins to crack.

    Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.

    On Arctic sovereignty, we stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark and fully support their unique right to determine Greenland’s future.

    Our view is the middle powers must act together because if we’re not at the table, we’re on the menu.

    But I’d also say that great powers can afford, for now, to go it alone. They have the market size, the military capacity, and the leverage to dictate terms. Middle powers do not. But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hegemon, we negotiate from weakness. We accept what’s offered. We compete with each other to be the most accommodating.

    This is not sovereignty. It’s the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination.

    We are taking a sign out of the window.

    We know the old order is not coming back. We shouldn’t mourn it. Nostalgia is not a strategy, but we believe that from the fracture we can build something bigger, better, stronger, more just. This is the task of the middle powers, the countries that have the most to lose from a world of fortresses and the most to gain from genuine cooperation.

    23 votes
    1. [7]
      Flashfall
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      I know basically nothing about Mark Carney and this might just be an overreaction due to the grade-school quality of dialogue being provided by our current head of state, but damn if that isn't...

      I know basically nothing about Mark Carney and this might just be an overreaction due to the grade-school quality of dialogue being provided by our current head of state, but damn if that isn't some poetic writing that nails the point. Whoever's writing this guy's speeches deserves a raise.

      25 votes
      1. Wafik
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        I joined a political party for the first time in my life so I could vote for Carney. Some of that is definitely being nice to listen to an intelligent adult with a practical outlook.

        I joined a political party for the first time in my life so I could vote for Carney. Some of that is definitely being nice to listen to an intelligent adult with a practical outlook.

        16 votes
      2. [5]
        Gazook89
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        NYT states that he wrote it himself, without aides.

        NYT states that he wrote it himself, without aides.

        14 votes
        1. [4]
          chocobean
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          Before he was PM he wrote a super thick book called Value(s) on how to move forward from *gestures generally * towards what human beings truely value. (I haven't read it, I just saw it mentioned...

          Before he was PM he wrote a super thick book called Value(s) on how to move forward from *gestures generally * towards what human beings truely value. (I haven't read it, I just saw it mentioned in a CBC Satire skit.) But yeah, I can believe the guy wrote this himself.

          11 votes
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            1. chocobean
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              Who the heck is this guy? And why does he want to run a country? And also a side thought, is this the inner circle that Trump has been trying desperately to join his entire life? You mentioned...

              Who the heck is this guy? And why does he want to run a country?

              And also a side thought, is this the inner circle that Trump has been trying desperately to join his entire life? You mentioned comic con: I've been to smaller cons and there's attendees sure, but there is an inner ring of annual attendees and whole weekend attendees, then within it there are the volunteer inner rings with access to the even more secret parties and even more exclusive celebrity events. And inner ring within inner ring all the way in.

              5 votes
          2. [2]
            Chiasmic
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            I tried listening to it on Audible but i struggled as it was a bit dry (and i don’t mind dry normally). I’ll give it another go at some point.

            I tried listening to it on Audible but i struggled as it was a bit dry (and i don’t mind dry normally). I’ll give it another go at some point.

            2 votes
            1. chocobean
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              That dry huh. Yeah I dunno..... If Canada survives this and we successfully move into the next prime minister without much scandals and environmental damage, I'll go back and read it as a "how'd...

              That dry huh. Yeah I dunno..... If Canada survives this and we successfully move into the next prime minister without much scandals and environmental damage, I'll go back and read it as a "how'd he pull it off". But otherwise I tend not to enjoy thoughts from "rich people good" point of views.

              1 vote
  2. Wafik
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    An excellent speech. Doesn't prevent the fascist state next to us from fucking our shit up, but at least we managed to elect the best leader we could agree the scariest time in my life time.

    An excellent speech. Doesn't prevent the fascist state next to us from fucking our shit up, but at least we managed to elect the best leader we could agree the scariest time in my life time.

    18 votes
  3. [4]
    kingofsnake
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    I shudder when I think of what Carney's alternative would have cooked up. Oh wait, he wouldn't be presenting there because WEF bad (because his base says so).

    I shudder when I think of what Carney's alternative would have cooked up.

    Oh wait, he wouldn't be presenting there because WEF bad (because his base says so).

    9 votes
    1. [3]
      pseudolobster
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      No need to guess. They've got a three-word-slogan about it: Workers, not WEF (because of course they do) (emphasis mine) There it is. Also the first time I've read the word "highfalutin" from an...

      No need to guess. They've got a three-word-slogan about it: Workers, not WEF (because of course they do)

      Whereas the Liberals frequently attend World Economic Forum conferences in Davos to give lectures on their radical woke agenda and hobnob with celebrities.

      (emphasis mine)

      There it is. Also the first time I've read the word "highfalutin" from an official party platform. So there's that.

      10 votes
      1. chocobean
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        I'm so glad Canadians voted to "Yeet the Pete", following his verb the noun platform.

        I'm so glad Canadians voted to "Yeet the Pete", following his verb the noun platform.

        6 votes
  4. [5]
    chocobean
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    Ping @286437714 - would love to hear your thoughts on this speech if you have spare time. What is the WEF really, and why is he addressing middle powers at an econ event? Or am I being naive and...

    Ping @286437714 - would love to hear your thoughts on this speech if you have spare time. What is the WEF really, and why is he addressing middle powers at an econ event? Or am I being naive and states are run by economic forces more so than political? How did alliances work before the idealism we have currently, or is there no parallels at all because the world was never this interconnected before?

    I remember very little of my Thucydides from decades ago; mostly that bad times are coming at the end of an Empire kinda vibe.

    6 votes
    1. [4]
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      1. patience_limited
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        There's an interesting analysis here that suggests PM Carney has been thinking about this for years, since he was Governor of the Bank of England. He's a deeply knowledgeable economist, and...

        There's an interesting analysis here that suggests PM Carney has been thinking about this for years, since he was Governor of the Bank of England. He's a deeply knowledgeable economist, and there's an "if something can't go on forever, it will stop" logic to his considerations about the primacy of the U.S. dollar-denominated global financial system and military hegemony.

        12 votes
      2. chocobean
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        This is fantastic, thank you. I've never previously heard of Davos. It kind of makes me think how effective is democracy really, if all we're doing is picking between elite A or elite B, to...

        This is fantastic, thank you. I've never previously heard of Davos. It kind of makes me think how effective is democracy really, if all we're doing is picking between elite A or elite B, to presumably stand up against another country's leader elite C, when all three are actually all buddies with pretty much the same goals.

        I noted that he mentioned ASEAN for trade, and EU's SAFE for defense/procurement. I guess that's one model beyond allies vs adversaries: everyone is going to trade on the same level as everyone, even if we don't have full agreements on every issue. But this is a good reality acknowledgement: we've been bullied on having resources we're hedged into selling for cheap and been cheated on for decades. With friends like this etc.

        One thing over the past year I noticed about Carney: he's really good at making deals. Not as a negotiator, he doesn't seem to aim for tit for tat, he's more like a tabletop DM - yes and......yes and. Yes pipeline, and we'll stay as one country. Yes environment protection, and we'll make sure your involvement is vital at every step. Yes sovereign cloud and infrastructure, and we're going to be careful about the budget too... Just, I'm not sure how he's going to pull off saying yes to every premiere every interest group, but it seems to be working so far and doesn't yet smell like grift.

        This feels like an important speech that marks a new chapter, or at least a signpost that a change in direction has been happened/is happening/will be happening.

        8 votes
      3. Foreigner
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        Just to add that WEF (or World Economic Forum) is a non-profit think-tank and convener, Davos is their annual big meeting. Outside of Davos, they organise other conferences, multistakeholder...

        Just to add that WEF (or World Economic Forum) is a non-profit think-tank and convener, Davos is their annual big meeting. Outside of Davos, they organise other conferences, multistakeholder initiatives, projects, write reports, etc. They run on membership fees from their corporate members (many of whom you see featured at Davos).

        5 votes
    2. mild_takes
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      The middle powers are basically everyone thats not the USA, China, and maybe a few other major powers. Its basically everyone in the room that is going to need to stand up to the USA for their...

      What is the WEF really, and why is he addressing middle powers at an econ event?

      The middle powers are basically everyone thats not the USA, China, and maybe a few other major powers. Its basically everyone in the room that is going to need to stand up to the USA for their belligerence.

      Or am I being naive and states are run by economic forces more so than political? How did alliances work before the idealism we have currently, or is there no parallels at all because the world was never this interconnected before?

      The USA has gained massively over the last 100 years by ruling over economic forces and projecting power globally to strengthen their economic power. I don't know how alliances worked in the 1800's but we're so interconnected now that more than ever this stuff matters. By alienating basically all of their trading partners the USA is now living on borrowed time economically. Without that economic power they will eventually cease to be a global superpower.

      14 votes
  5. chocobean
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    Following up: Carney's Davos speech strikes a chord in Mexico -- Mexican lawmakers reflect on prime minister's words ahead of Canadian trade mission, CUSMA negotiations CBC Mexican President...

    Following up: Carney's Davos speech strikes a chord in Mexico -- Mexican lawmakers reflect on prime minister's words ahead of Canadian trade mission, CUSMA negotiations CBC

    Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum

    Carney’s speech was “in tune with the current times" and "That was a very good speech by Carney, from Prime Minister Carney, I don’t know if you heard it.”

    Federal Deputy Dolores Padierna Luna

    “I believe that Canada and Mexico need to speak more, always more deeply, and provide mutual support,” said Padierna, who is the vice-coordinator for the Morena caucus in the Chamber of Deputies. [...]

    Padierna Luna said it was “insulting” and “offensive” for U.S. President Donald Trump to publish images on social media with the U.S. flag covering Canadian territory and to refer to Canada as the 51st state.

    “So, we have to say, no. To confront this like Carney did … with his impressive speech, as a lesson for the whole world,” she said.

    “Canada and Mexico need to unite to defend our sovereignty.”

    6 votes